Kelsey Peterson
Nebraska Teacher, 13-Year-Old Student, on the Run in Colorado:
I’m sure by now you’ve heard the story of Kelsey Peterson. She’s the 25-year-old teacher from Lexington, Nebraska who basically kidnapped a 13-year-old student who she’s been having a sexual relationship with.
Thanks to LiLO we have Kelsey Peterson’s MySpace.
It’s been set to private but what kind of teacher types in all caps?
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231 opinions for Kelsey Peterson
Rader
Nov 2, 2007 at 1:17 am
heh, figures, its lexington
BelchSpeak
Nov 2, 2007 at 10:13 am
“what kind of teacher types in all caps?”
The kind that stuffs 13-yo boymeat in her cooch? Just a guess.
Don’t know how I missed this one.
Funny, the kid’s name is Fernando Rodriguez, and he wants to flee to Mexico according to the article. If only we could figure out a way for all illegal aliens to take a child rapist with them to Mexico, this country would be an awesome place to live.
BelchSpeak » Post Topic » Reason 398 to HomeSchool: 6th Grade Rapist Math Teacher Won’t Kidnap Your Child
Nov 2, 2007 at 10:52 am
[…] to Trench at MyCrimeSpace for giving me the heads up on this one. He even points to Peterson’s stupid MySpace page […]
BW
Nov 2, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Why run? She’ll hardly get any punishment anyway.
BelchSpeak
Nov 2, 2007 at 2:01 pm
Reports say she crossed into Mexico on Tuesday night around 10 PM. Now she is an international fugitive-slash-child rapist.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071102/ap_on_re_us/teacher_student_search
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Nov 2, 2007 at 5:49 pm
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bob
Nov 3, 2007 at 3:07 am
added her to my friends list i wanna go to mexico on her dime :)
amber
Nov 3, 2007 at 10:03 am
She’s white trash. She deserves
paul
Nov 3, 2007 at 11:03 am
So, any person with a spanish name is an illegal citizen?
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 2:29 pm
America, our society is now sicker than ever.
What do I mean by that? I mean that the laws we now have in place regarding this sort of situation are completely incorrect and unjust. They are preserved by a combination of rampant fascist ideology, the decline of patriotic and meaningful critical discourse, an astounding ignorance regarding the true nature of the minds of children, and the subconscious fear and envy of a population severely oppressed on the federal level.
You cannot make the statement, “All romantic relationships between caring adults and children are harmful to the child even if the child is very willing,” without telling a blatant lie, probably for the sake of convenience. That is because it is very possible for an adult to take all necessary precautions to prevent any harm from coming to the child involved.
I assert that CHILDREN MUST BE KEPT SAFE from adults who do not care for them and would seek to harm them, but that a consensual romance between a caring adult and a child is NOT ALWAYS HARMFUL for every single individual adult and child as the law itself currently assumes. In many cases, it is true that state intervention is the only thing that truly harms the child involved.
I assert that the only thing this woman did that was unethical was causing so much anxiety for this boy’s parents and other loved ones.
This woman did break existing laws, so she should expect this fact to be addressed. However, I call on prosecutors, judges, juries, and the entire United States population to never be so cowardly as to cease contemplating the validity of existing laws through rational criticism.
Thanks for reading.
Alyric
Nov 3, 2007 at 5:14 pm
Kenny says: blah blah blah, I’m a pedophile and should be shot.
Corrected for you.
Embarrassed
Nov 3, 2007 at 5:21 pm
So what was so wrong with my post that it had to be removed?
Trench
Nov 3, 2007 at 5:56 pm
This was Embarrassed’s comment. I don’t know how it got deleted.
I am embarrassed and ashamed of the fact that I live near Lexington. Its unbelievable how incompetent the law enforcement is here,
Another point I’d like to bring up … Why didn’t the school administration notify the police BEFORE letting Peterson know they were on to her. Instead, the school put her on “Administrative Leave” and it took Dawson County’s finest untill Monday to wake up a judge to get the necessary paperwork needed.
IMO..they should have left her in a Mexican Jail for about 6 months, because thats how long it will take Dawson County to act upon this.
Embarrassed
Nov 3, 2007 at 6:10 pm
LMAO…Thank you. I feel better now
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 6:25 pm
When a man sexually assaults a minor, he gets more jail time than a woman. If the man is black, and the child is white, he gets even more jail time. If a man kills his wife he goes to jail forever. If a woman kills her husband, she gets 20 years, maybe.
That is not fair justice! And let me also add that a sexual relationship between an adult and a child is just plain wrong under any circumstances.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 6:32 pm
Alyric says: blah blah blah i’m an internet tough guy not making any valid logical points
I can’t say I agree with you, and I can’t say I’m even remotely afraid of you or people like you. If you want to engage in legitimate debate with me, I would very much welcome that. Unfortunately, you don’t sound like a very ethical or intelligent person, so how can I take you seriously?
Now, if you just want to physically threaten me, be prepared to back it up or shut your mouth, or my only option is to think less of you.
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 6:41 pm
Kenny, I would be happy to oblige your request. Which do you prefer? I would reccommend the debate option.
Although, your chance for success with either are remote.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 6:56 pm
Sounds good, Kmetzi.
I have asserted that it is not impossible for a caring adult and a willing child to engage in a romantic relationship with no harm resulting to the child from the relationship.
Is that the assertion with which you disagree? State your position.
Trench
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:00 pm
I’m getting the popcorn. This should be good.
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:11 pm
I would say your assertion is possible and occurs everyday. People of different ages have relationships with each other on emotional levels that are very complex. However, I would submit that a child is not capable of understanding their emotions in adult situations. Therefore, the responsibility lies with the adult. If the adult behaves innappropriately, the child is adversely affected. If the adult decides to act sexually then the child is a victim. And the child knows it!
Alyric
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:14 pm
I didn’t threaten you. I did express my opinion that pedophiles should be shot.
I also said you were a pedophile.
I did not, however, threaten to shoot you.
And take the pro-pedophile bullshit somewhere else. If I want to be nauseated I’ll drink syrup of ipecac.
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:16 pm
I am no pro pedophile brother.
Alyric
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Not you, Kmetzi - sorry. Was talking to Kenny.
Trench
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:18 pm
Alyric was referring to Kenny.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Kmetzi says: I would say your assertion is possible and occurs everyday. People of different ages have relationships with each other on emotional levels that are very complex.
Exactly! I’m glad to hear you understand this, right on.
Kmetzi says: However, I would submit that a child is not capable of understanding their emotions in adult situations. Therefore, the responsibility lies with the adult.
I agree that it is absolutely right to place the responsibility on the adult to ensure the child’s well-being. As for the child being unable to understand his or her emotions in adult situations, what do you mean by that? Do you mean that the child does not have experience with those sorts of feelings, so he or she has not yet decided how to address them?
Kmetzi says: If the adult behaves innappropriately, the child is adversely affected. If the adult decides to act sexually then the child is a victim. And the child knows it!
By “inappropriately,” I’m going to assume you mean in some currently-illegal manner. The assumption of the inevitability of harm to the child is the assumption in causality that I am not so certain is true. Certainly, this is the claim that has been made by the mainstream media for a long while now. The child knows that this is what is claimed by the media, but also knows that not everything people say on TV is necessarily true. Is it really true that psychological harm will inevitably come to a child who willingly engages in sexual activity with an adult who takes every precaution to ensure the well-being of the child? Please, convince me.
Alyric
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:39 pm
Kenny says: Is it really true that psychological harm will inevitably come to a child who willingly engages in sexual activity with an adult who takes every precaution to ensure the well-being of the child?
Yes. If this is in any way confusing to you, run, don’t walk, to the nearest psychiatric hospital and seek help immediately.
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:41 pm
I cannot convince you of anything you are not willing to beleive. I cannot claim expertise in knowing how such an experience will manifest itself or when. All I can tell you is that you can love the children but you can’t have sex with them. Even if they are related…..
Alyric
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Kmetzi says: All I can tell you is that you can love the children but you can’t have sex with them. Even if they are related…..
All I can say is, that either didn’t come out how you intended, or dear god I hope you never have a child.
lexx nuniz
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Which one of the 3 women on the myspace picture is Peterson?
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Sorry Alyric, just a little redneck humor.
Alyric
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Gotcha. Just doesn’t translate well to text. You scared me though! lol
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:51 pm
middle
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:52 pm
All right, we’re going to hit a dead end unless I provide evidence that this assumption in causality is not a very accurate one in cases where the adult cares about the child’s well-being and actively takes all the measures to ensure the child is not harmed.
To do that, I need to know something else.
Kmetzi, what is your opinion on two children close in age below the age of consent engaging in sexual activity with no adults present?
Alyric
Nov 3, 2007 at 7:58 pm
@Kenny: Statutory rape laws make provisions for two children close in age below the age of consent.
The problem comes when an adult enters the equation. It’s not the same thing, and if you can’t realize that, see my previous comment about seeking psychiatric help.
Also, stop trying to seek “reasonable discussions” on the issue. There is no such thing as “reasonable discussion” about child rape. Things like this are the reason the word oxymoron exists. Just putting the two terms in the same sentence made me feel dirty.
If an adult isn’t emotionally mature enough to have a relationship with another adult, resorting to preying on children is not a legitimate option.
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:08 pm
my opinion is that it is normal. It is not normal or realistic to assume that you can provide an appropriate level of care when engaging in the type of relationship you suggest. Why? because an adult is at a totally different level of intellectual and emotional development. In other words they are not mature enough to be cared for in such a way. Surely, the applicable laws are intended to protect and ensure the well being of our children. Are you suggesting that you are smarter than the law?
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:11 pm
Good job Alyric, you hit the nail on the head.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:19 pm
@Alyric: Of course I realize there is a difference. I asked this question because I wanted to see whether Kmetzi thinks children cannot engage in sex at all without being harmed, which would require a different argument to continue.
It is well-established that rape should always be illegal. Child rape is when an adult engages in unrequested or undesired sexual activity with a child against the will of the child. I agree, that should always be illegal. But to apply the term “rape” to sexual activity where both parties are willing is, quite simply, wrong-headed, even though that is exactly where the law currently stands.
In fact, that makes people equate less serious situations with more serious situations, and the victims of what is really rape are therefore taken less seriously, which is extremely terrible.
My argument is regarding cases where the child is willing or perhaps even eager to engage in the activity.
Alyric says: If an adult isn’t emotionally mature enough to have a relationship with another adult, resorting to preying on children is not a legitimate option.
For most pedosexuals, it is not about being “unable” to engage in a relationship with another adult, but actually wanting to engage in a romantic relationship with a particular child in the first place. Preying on children is never an option. But engaging in a romantic relationship with a child is not always preying. Preying implies that the perpetrator is attempting to benefit from a victim without regard to the well-being of the victim. I assert that in the cases I am talking about where the adult cares for the child and ensures no harm comes to him or her, there is no victim.
And to be honest, I was having the debate with Kmetzi… This interruption has slowed our debate down.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Kmetzi, how familiar are you with the law in general? Any attorney can tell you there are many, many people smarter than a particular law. That’s why judicial review exists, that is why prosecutors decide whether to press charges in individual situations, that is why the law is constantly changing, and so on.
Zigs
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Basically, the situation is wrong if the adult is in it for some sort of sexual gratification. Adults can have loving relationships with children in a caregiver/dependent capacity (and to be explicitly clear, I’m talking about parentage, be it biological relationship or adoptive) but beyond that it’s a slippery slope down pedo lane.
In other words, if you are in it to get off, you should probably stay as far away from children as possible, but the court will settle your hash for 300 feet or so.
You would probably ask why? The answer is children lack sexual development, and pedophile advances are subject to all sorts of misinterperetation from them.
You don’t meet many adults who would claim they are glad they were molested as children, many consider themselves psychologically scarred for life.
Zigs
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:25 pm
See how he uses “pedosexual” to try to put the term in legitmate standing with the terms heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual?
It’s not a sexual preference, it’s a sexual dysfunction.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:30 pm
Once again, I agree that child molestation should always be illegal. However, look up the definition of the term “molestation.” I am asserting that not all sexual interaction between children and adults is molestation or rape, more specifically when the adult cares for the child on an emotional level besides and the child is willing and the adult ensures the well-being of the child.
The media and the law, unfortunately, have twisted the term “molestation” to also include certain situations that really are not acts of molestation at all, even if they are sexual in nature.
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:31 pm
Good post Zigs.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:33 pm
Zigs says: It’s not a sexual preference, it’s a sexual dysfunction.
That’s the current social opinion. However, the exact same thing was said about homosexuality 50 years ago. That is why I cannot trust the social order’s “word” on this issue; I must see all the evidence and make the decision for myself.
Zigs
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:35 pm
“I am asserting that not all sexual interaction between children and adults is molestation or rape, more specifically when the adult cares for the child on an emotional level besides and the child is willing and the adult ensures the well-being of the child.”
You could have shortened that up to “I am a pedophile” because that belief basically constitutes pedophilia.
You can’t “care for the well-being of the child” and want to stick your dick in them. Wanting to stick your dick in a kid constitutes not caring for the kid.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:39 pm
Zigs says: You can’t “care for the well-being of the child” and want to stick your dick in them. Wanting to stick your dick in a kid constitutes not caring for the kid.
So many assumptions! But anyway, isn’t it amazing how millions of husbands truly do care for their wives and, as you say, “stick their dicks in them”! That really suggests your understanding of sex itself is incomplete or flawed.
Zigs
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:41 pm
I’m reminded of a quote from South Park, “Dude, you have sex with children! We’re for equal rights and all that gay crap, but seriously, fuck you!”
Another, more to-the-point quote, which I don’t remember exactly so I’ll parphrase, until you have children of your own you don’t comprehend the depth of their innocence, and it sickens me that there are those who would destroy that innocence for their own gratification.
Loss of innocence, that’s the root of the problem, and I think the root of the disconnect you have with my side of the arguement.
Kmetzi
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:44 pm
Kenny-How can an adult ensure the well being of a child when that child is not mature enough to know what is in their well being?
Trench
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:45 pm
But engaging in a romantic relationship with a child is not always preying.
That may be the most idiotic thing I’ve ever read.
Dan Rather
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:46 pm
Lets focus on some more important issues like the comeback of Britney Spears.
Chris
Nov 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm
You people have never traveled outside the US I can see. You think Americans have all the answers. There are many countries around the world that do things that would make you cringe. In Mexico (Where the kid in this case comes from) people as young as 13 yrs old are having babies every day. Many from men as old as 40. Its status quo there. This “Kid” was calling his 25 yr old teacher “Baby-gurl” - Is he a victim?
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 9:00 pm
All right, Kmetzi. So I take it you agree that children can engage in sexual activity in some situations without being harmed, as long as the act is between two children.
First of all, you realize the media has a different view on that, right? There was a recent story somewhere with a 7-year-old boy and a 6-year-old girl playing some sort of sex game behind stairs in a school and they were actually contemplating punitive action.
Second of all, let me lie down what I think an adult would need to do in a sexual relationship with a child and still ethically be in the right.
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1. Educate the child about all the risks associated with sexual activity. Then confirm that they really do understand these risks and their implications. BEFOREHAND.
2. The adult must be completely healthy, having no sexually transmittable diseases.
3. Provide medical examination results to the child and the parents of the child to show that the adult is healthy, as well as obtaining permission from the parents of the child. BEFOREHAND.
4. With all of this knowledge, be certain that the child still is interested in the activity. If not, the adult must back off immediately.
5. Use appropriate contraception techniques to prevent against unwanted pregnancy, regardless of the child’s age. No chances can be taken.
6. If at any time the child changes his or her mind, cease immediately.
7. Any action must be completely innocent in nature. There can be absolutely no sadism allowed in this picture.
8. The adult must be receptive to the child’s mood, well-being, attitude, comprehension, and so on, every single step of the way.
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Explain to me precisely why you are certain that every child would inevitably be harmed if a loving adult went through all of these steps to ensure the well-being of the child in a sexual relationship.
Kenny
Nov 3, 2007 at 10:59 pm
For the record, let me just say I am playing the devil’s advocate here because I want people to feel the right way about difficult issues for the right reasons.
I am NOT in any way promoting the breaking of the law. Laws must be obeyed when they are in effect and I understand that. What I was trying to do here was encourage a debate to make sure people understand the issues without blindly following whatever the TV says.
However, this site seemed to have technical difficulties after that. Kind of weird.
So for the record, this was just a speculative debate that I was attempting to use to make people more politically intelligent. Sorry if anyone misunderstood.
Ice
Nov 3, 2007 at 11:02 pm
It doesn’t matter what you tell the child. It is illegal, it is sick, and morally wrong. Why would you in so many words advertise sexual contact with a child. No jury in any court would consider your argument. its unrealistic. You are still taking advantage of the child no matter how you spin it. If you can’t deal with the fact that sex with children is wrong and illegal maybe you should move to a different country, where people think like you if such a place exists.
Slick
Nov 3, 2007 at 11:42 pm
Kenny if you had a 13 year old daughter (hopefully not)and a 25 year old man came to your home with that list you posted above and went through your “proper channels” would you let your daughter take this grown man up to her room for a “romantic relationship”
BelchSpeak
Nov 3, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Yep, Kenny is a pedophile. And there is no use to engage in any debate about whether it is okay for a child to have consensual sex with an adult because by law they are not able to make that decision. Any attempt to “engage in debate” is stupid.
And kenny, you probably peddle kiddie porn too. Because by your twisted reasoning, if its okay to have kids consent to sex with adults, its okay for kids to consent to sex with adults on camera too.
Kenny
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:01 am
Belch, you are completely missing the point of why I am doing this.
angel
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:02 am
Not for nothing, but when I was in my teens, I would have welcomed the opportunity to be “molested” by someone as attractive as Kelsey.
I would not have suggested a road trip to Mexico though. Canada is a much nicer country, and I would have preferred to go on the lam there instead.
Me
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:30 am
I am in absolute shock. Kenny is RIGHT! Our society is sicker than ever, but the damn hypocrite that he is, with that beam in his eye, cannot see that its sick because of him and him cohorts. Whats the matter Ken, a fully grown woman doesnt find you appealing? A woman your own age is far too mentally (and of course physically) developed for you? Let me say it right here- you are a dangerous man. I have read so much on the net, but this conversation has made my gut physically hurt. You are trying so hard to sound intelligent, using an attempt at eloquent writing, to make you and your type seem a legitimate part of this planets society. You claim that 50 years ago homosexuality was not accepted, but now is, more or less. Well turn the clock back a further 50, and keep going, and you’ll see that this is a cyclic process, that keeps getting eradicated! YOu act as though only now, after 6000 years of so of human history, you have the bright spark to stand up for your disgusting kind. But you are ignorant. ‘You’ have appeared throughout history, probably every 50 years…and history repeating itself- ‘you’ will be shut down by the laws and common sense of the majority (which is not 51% to 49%, but more like a ratio of one in a lot of millions). Unfortunately, ‘you’ have a way of manipulating society every 50 odd years in this cycle, whenever a ‘new’ idea of morality appears-
1. society HATES it, then…
2. IGNORES it, then…
3. TOLERATES it, then…
4. ACCEPTS it, then, WAKES UP and…
5. FIGHTS it
You ought to go study these patterns in history, what is NOT right is NOT right. Whether one believes in a religion or not, the feeling is the same throughout all of society.
So while ‘you’ got society somewhat manipulated, look forward to step 5- a solid FIGHT (and please, not the physical type, why is everyone soooo tough on the net- when they know we are just all behind computers?? Why even go there?)
Look Kenny, get yourself checked out, get professional help and most of all repent. Its impossible that you (like the rest of society who are all imperfect for various reasons, incl myself) wont be held accountable by that great Architect who created us. One could quote from Buddha, Muhammed, Krishnamurti- they all say the same things, but none so eloquently and as serious as the Saviour Himself (paraphrased of course)- ‘…it is better that a man hang a stone around his neck and drown himself, than touch even one hair on the head of a child’. We will be judged Kenneth- we are here for a reason to prove ourselves in a very short period of time, so we can enjoy eternity if we resist all the temptations and corruptions that make us humans. You think we just are the be all and end all of this universe with zillions of planets and stars spread zillions of earth miles apart (4.2 billion accessible to even the naked human eye? Think outside the square chap, coz this is a short testing ground.
Stop taking advantage of your experience to snare children, just because an adult woman/man can see right through your pedophiliac heart, -right now, you are a dangerous and filthy pig. Adios.
BelchSpeak
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:37 am
Kenny,
If you had a point, you would have crystalized it by now. You are a jerkoff troll and a pedophile that is spreading your filthy beliefs.
I don’t miss much, Douchy.
Xan
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:44 am
13 years old is hardly a kid. At that age I had already killed and skinned my first buck. I had my first girlfriend. We consummated. If she had been 25, she would still have been my first. Due to having only overprotective conservative shits like Alyric, though, only through pure luck did a child not result, as our parents never talked to us about it because they found it “shameful” and our schools never taught us about it because they believed in only abstinance. It is truly a twisted and morally backwards country which views death in any form as a-ok but sex as a vile crime against humanity. Get with the program, Europe hasn’t been this ass-backwards since before the Rennaissance. When small hut-dwelling tribal chiefdoms are more sexually mature than your country, something is very seriously wrong. I have traveled to Malaysia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Japan, Qatar, Dubai, The Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, and the Ukraine and they would ONLY consider this a crime on the basis that a tutor is only supposed to teach. If they were to have met online or as part of an arranged or encouraged marriage there would be no problem!
Lou
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:46 am
Is the FBI tracking Kenny’s IP address? Personally, I find Kenny’s arguments very disturbing. To even be able to think that it’s okay to put your hands on a child in that way, whether the child is willing or not…there isn’t a single normal person who would be able to make that argument at all. It would turn the stomach of a normal person to even suggest it. If you’re trying to be funny, you’re just not!
Excalibur
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:49 am
Her myspace page, she’s the one on the right, am I correct?
Excalibur
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:51 am
Xan, look at this…13 years old is a kid. Not a man…not a woman…a kid. It’s the earliest age to be a teenager…KID, comprende???
Charlie
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:56 am
I agree with Chris, you all seem never have been out of US. In many other countries, the boy or little kid is more advanced sexually that your naive little Americans, in this case, have you seen how ugly and fat is that teacher ?
I mean it was her only chance. Be the Baby Gurl of the Mexican boy that I don’t think have a finger of naive. Like many teens in south America and mexico.
Charlie
Nov 4, 2007 at 1:01 am
Xan is more into the path, and before get into the battle field. I am mixed from American and Chinese, still did a lot of work in South America before and the reality is different, 13 year old in 2007 is really not a ” kid ” depending on the background which covers his development. Still blah blah laws and so grosse crime and blah blah , each case is independent from the others.
I don’t see this Mexican ALPHA KID being victim still if you people get ALL THE FACTS.
Lou
Nov 4, 2007 at 1:06 am
Thank God I live in the United States! I would find it hard not to put a bullet in someone’s face if I had to see them messing with a child. Yeah, my grandmother was forced into an arranged marriage when she was 14 years old to a man who was 25. He was mean to her and treated her badly. I think that it is shameful that this is allowed to go on in ANY country. I can’t believe that people are applauding other countries for allowing it to go on!!! Please, go there then…and stay there! Our naive little Americans, huh? Stay away from me and mine! Cause I wasn’t kidding about that bullet! I’d go to prison for torture and murder if some man or woman did what this woman did to MY child. The only thing I’d be sorry for would be that I couldn’t bring the bastard back to life and do it again!!!
Excalibur
Nov 4, 2007 at 1:07 am
Charlie, I think there’s enough facts about what’s important…the teacher is a pedophile.
He’s a KID…hell, he’s not even a young adult.
Benito and Bianca
Nov 4, 2007 at 1:20 am
Wel, after a couple minutes reading past elaborate “thesaurus from MS Word pumped” arguments, to be specific, Kenny’s piece of crap attempt to make seem having sex with “kids” is ok have made me and my girlfriend want to vomit. To explain, from our point of views, we both are 19 and 18, live together, go to college fulltime and work full-time jobs, yet to this moment, learn day by day the complexities that come along with an adult relationship. “Kids” at the age of thirteen, are barely….well, teens. To begin, I believe that the boy Fernando, the victim obviously, referred to Kelsey as his “baby gurl…”. Now, somebody that takes a thirteen year old boy’s “baby gurl” (which by the way should be spelled baby girl) seriously, should literally seek immediate help. So Kenny, now that you have stayed quiet on us all, I think we must all know that maybe Kelsey found herself uncapable of finding love with someone appropriate, someone like an….adult. Like you Kenny, an adult, from 18- who knows what the fuck old age, with grey hair and wrinkling skin downloading torrent files full of kid-porn, I must say, it is people lik eyou that fuck up our society. You talk of other countries allowing all this crap to be not only “ok”, but socially acceptable, yet, all these countries are somehow, in some weiiiiiird way, coincidentally, all third-world opiate harvesting, human trafiicking, international law breaking countries with barely any government to enforce or care abouall those kids being preyed on by assholes like you. I don’t want an argument, I want you in my frontstep telling me this, and then, I know a reasonable way of setting straight. Oh, the FBI ar einvestigating this bulletin as of right now….I mean, lik ethe past posts indiate, if you find having sex with a kid is “ok”, then filming must be ok too….so much as long as you “love”….so do you love your kittyporn stash Kenny….I know the FBI will….
BelchSpeak
Nov 4, 2007 at 1:20 am
Trench, this thread is quickly becoming a no-pest strip for kid touchers.
Xan, you are a disgusting human being and a liar. You lied when you said “I have traveled to Malaysia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Japan, Qatar, Dubai, The Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, and the Ukraine and they would ONLY consider this a crime on the basis that a tutor is only supposed to teach.”
In Malaysia the age of consent is 16.
In Indonesia, its 19 for males and 16 for females.
In the Phillipines, any sexual contact under the age of 18 is illegal, and the same goes for Japan and Thailand.
Before you come onto a message board and begin to lie, you should consider the fact that people are not stupid and remember that Google exists. dick.
Ashley
Nov 4, 2007 at 2:04 am
Ok, first of all, i think most of you need serious help, Kenny most of all. It is just wrong and unusual to touch anyone younger than the age of 18. I hope that you don’t have or never have children good god, get help!
Mbaron
Nov 4, 2007 at 2:22 am
Charlie and all advocates of pedophilia. It doesnt stand up in an argument that these things are happening in S. America or wherever you’re from. Does that mean your views are more advanced in some way?? I think not. The only reason it happens there is because there are no laws designed to protect children there or the existing laws arent enforced, and that goes for basically half of the developing world. And that is why we see these pedophiles hiding out in Mexico, Thailand, Philippines etc..so f*ck off Charlie!
Opinion
Nov 4, 2007 at 2:32 am
Hello everyone. Just wanted to add a little fuel to the discussion. How about reviewing everyone’s family tree and start flagging marriages which, by today standards, would make the husband a pedophile and a child molester, as it is in the case of Lou? The truth is pedophilia has been in mankind since day 1.
However, in recent times society has become mature enough as to recognize its potential damage to children and therefore criminalized those actions. There are some things I do not completely understand. If a 14 year old has sex with another 14 year old, it is consensual, no harm done. If this very same 14 year old has sex with an 18 or 19 year old, and it is consensual, it is rape, molestation, one of the worst crimes ever.
Who draws the line? who decides when it is appropriate or not? Why is it that women are able to have children when they turn teens, usually between the ages of 10-13? Why doesn’t nature make them wait?
The U.S. has a very uptight society, which often goes against what may be perceived in other countries as a sexually “liberal” society. The truth is sex is shameful. It is morbid and perverse. Now the fashion is labeling people as “sexual predators” and mark them for life.
It be quite an interesting research to review our most prominent politicians, those people who are highly respected in history, and see if they were pedophiles, sexual predators and whatnot.
Kenny, sorry but your argument doesn’t cut it. No devil’s advocate, you are a true pedophile. About those talking about the FBI tracking IPs, get real. As much as I dislike child molestation and related issues, even pedophiles have a right to speak their minds. If they didn’t then this would not be a free country anymore. So those screaming FBI, you’re as bad as pedophiles, because you’re killing our freedom, and last time I heard there are U.S. troops dying in Irak to defend it, so shame on you.
Now, on the case in point. Teachers are trusted to keep our little ones safe, to help us raise them and educate them. So for the most part, a teacher must not abuse his or her position to entice a child into any type of personal activity, much less sex. Or does this mean we need cameras in classrooms and expert analysts on human behavior to detect inappropriate activity? I think what we need is to shape up.
The U.S. has become the world circus. Everyone out there looks at what happens here and they laugh at us. Our lifes are so senseless that whenever something like this happens, copycats start popping up everywhere. There’s a media frenzy to feed the perverted desire for morbosity of the audience.
So sure, keep taking away our core values, let’s grow to be a country without morals, where it is totally illegal to say a prayer at a public school, but all children must be well versed in the “sexual diversity” we now have come to validate. And I have nothing against gays or lebians. Wait until someone says that his preference is sheep, and it should be respected.
We’re a disgrace, we tried to be what we cannot be. We do not want to accept our responsibility for our actions.
I’m sorry for those who have made postings here and will definitely blast my posting because of their self-perception of righteousness. I bet there is one or more pedophiles in your family that hasn’t been discovered. But of course, *that* doesn’t happen in your home, only happens when those predators are out hunting.
Got news for most of you, predators LIVE in your house, most of them have a normal life, they maintain normal relationships with their peers, yet they do act and do harm on children, often keeping them silent by means of threats.
And for those of you who walk on water, my respects. But beware because those who believed they had the absolute truth have committed mankind’s worst attrocities.
Someone mentioned innocense. That’s what childhood is all about. Any debate about love, romance, etc., if it destroys innocense, is simply wrong. As my wife told my 9 year old when he asked: “mom what is sex?” and she replied “the little box you check when you fill out a form, M for boy, F for girl”. Let’s keep children being children.
Jah
Nov 4, 2007 at 3:41 am
Wow.
I’d say that you have to consider all things in a case-by-case basis, but shouldn’t we tread lightly in the gray area? It seems certain that pedophiles lack the confidence to maintain a relationship (whether due to interest or ability) with a similarly-aged partner. Otherwise, why not just sleep with adults for caution’s sake?
Oh, and as for the talk about other countries, I can only speak for the ones mentioned that I’ve been to, Japan and Thailand, but while those places have ages of consent akin to the ones in the US, the attitudes in those countries are very, very different, and ultimately that is what determines the behavior of a populace and even the enforcement of its laws.
Maria from IOWA
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:53 am
everyone in Nebraska is white trash…so no shock here!! She probably went to mexico to get away from there. Don’t blame her. maybe she was just using him as her guide.Ever thing of that?! huh huh huh?
African American Perspective
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:05 am
Opinion’s comment is the best thus far. We do need to keep in mind that even in early America (for those whose lineage goes this far) it was common for an adult male (over 21 and in most cases older), to marry a “child”, he would usually choose the child when she was 12-14, and marry her when she was 15, with the consent of her parents. So many of you have in your family history a pedophile, by definition. Having sex with children consensual, or not is WRONG… But where does childhood end, 15, 16, 17, 18… The law states 18, so does that mean every human or at least American, is emotionally ready at 18… I think not! There are people who are not emotionally ready for a mature sexual relationship at 25, lol I went out with a couple. Let’s not complicate things, lets leave children alone, stick with adults and pray that we are dealing with people that are emotionally ready. Lastly Kenny your crazy, though in college I did have this gay law professor who mentioned several times that the age of consensual sex should be lowered to 14 but he was gay and obviously not all together. To play devil’s advocate I might add, if homosexuals have rights don’t pedophiles and supporters of bestiality have rights too… America is so great! Let’s take God out of schools, off of money, out of the pledge of allegiance and add homosexual mantras and teach our middle schoolers about anal sex and give them condoms. Now that I think about it could a society making these kinds of decisions be trusted with the responsibility of making laws, maybe Plato has got something going in The Republic.
Serious Business
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:20 am
Why didn’t we have teachers like this when I was in school?
MrGavel
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:44 am
Kenny
Stop trying establish clarity in an already clear situation. The teacher a flocking pedophile. And by the way, it’s clear to us here you had a few ribs taken out so you can blow yourself. But like both of your daddies said, don’t smack while you chew and burping when you’re finished does not always mean you’re full.
Kenny, an answer
Nov 4, 2007 at 7:06 am
Well, I for one will answer Kenny’s question as to how can it harm a child whether consensual or not.
Kenny it is harmful because a child’s brain is still developing even into their 20’s and their thoughts, beliefs and sense of right and wrong is developing and solidifying at that time. Their neurological development and personality is all over the place wildly at the ages you suggest, this affects judgement and perception, what may seem not harmful to them now, or to you now, may later have a negative outcome.
Is is better to take a risk like that with someone’s development, or is it better to not take that risk ? The decision to affect that child by sexual contact at a young age is selfish, and while the child may not grow up feeling scarred, it will most certainly affect their future development and perceptions in unknown ways. To take a risk like that is again selfish, psychologically unstable and morally wrong. THAT is why Kenny; and just to inject an opinion, it is pathetic when a man or a woman cannot find someone their own age, how much of an inept loser does one have to be to go out with a kid, it’s like the 40 year old screwing the 18 year old. It is pathetic because most 18-21 year olds are stupid and exercise poor judgement, and the 40 year old is too much of a socially malformed, inept loser to convince someone his age to date him, they are smart enough to see this so they reject him, or her, for a reason !
To allthe previous posters and Kenny
Nov 4, 2007 at 7:22 am
Well whether or not you believe he is a pedophile or not, I think what he is trying to get at is this:
Why is it “harmful”, when it is not the same as actually causing physical harm or overt obvious psycological damage. Just my assumtion at this of course.
Sex in and of itself between consenting people is not harmful morally or psychologically, it is because the person is unformed and may later suffer and or suffer latent damage that is not apparent to them or the concerned adult that it is harmful and wrong.
Just like drinking and driving, it may not be harmful per se if no one is hurt, but it is wrong because you are taking an unreasonable risk with everyone else’s safety not just your own. It is wrong in all cases whether or not anyone is hurt, because you take the risk knowing that it is more than a little likely that something could happen. same with sex with a kid.
limegirl
Nov 4, 2007 at 8:43 am
hehehe!!! this is so awesome! i most say that this is the first time that i actually follow an argument inside a forum! :) my only question is… can we still trust in women? im 20 and until i went to college,me and my sisters were in a girl-catholic private school ( for the record, being in a girls-only school doesn’t mean you have to be a lesbian! >:s)
because my parents were so concern about us being in public schools with MALE teachers…
so bassicaly… even when i hated to be in that school… it didnt actually make any sense! cuz WOMEN can also be Pedophiles (actually the principal of my school was charge for minors abused… and he is a priest!) and that’s what i always tried to explain to my parents! i think relationships between adults and childs are good… that’s why social programs like ” become a big brother” exists! but when you want to get dirty with a kid… that is just lack of confidence and possible brain damage… i mean… adults destroy thousands of kids’ lives with these pratices. and sexual relationships with kids no matter the color of the skin…should be punish with more than 40 years and some other physical punishments… im sorry if i hurt somebody’s feelings but that’s just my opinion! i dont like pedophiles!!! is one of the most disgusting and sad things in this world! to bad it was a mexican kid, cuz this case is gonna be over in no-time and people would forget about quite soon!
my only advice… DONT TRUST ANYBODY!
Taylor
Nov 4, 2007 at 11:01 am
To start: I am ethically and morally oppsed to sex outside of the marriage covenant; call me “close-minded” or “archaic”, but it is my faith and it’s what I believe. I am therefore not a pedophile. I am 22 years old (still considered by many to be a kid) engaged to marry a wonderful woman who’s 23.
Having said that, I offer the following for digestion:
In many countries around the world, as has already been stated many times by several people, “children” engage in sexual activity and even give birth at very young ages. Many times, these children do so as part of a marriage. My 8th grade Spanish teacher was married to a much older man when she was 16, an age I still defrinately consider a child. At that age, parental consent is required to marry where I’m from. However, they arre still married now, some 20 years later. Is that wrong?
Mary, the mother of Christ, was betrothed to marry Joseph at a very young age (most scholars agree on or around 16 years old). I will not make this an arguement about faith or Christianity; I’ve already stated my beliefs. Suffice it to say that if she had not given birth to Christ as a virgin, she would have begun having sex and producing children as young as 16 years old after having been married. Is that wrong?
Granted in both of these cases, the child is older than 13; however, the point still exists. Sexual activity occured between a 16 year old woman and a much older man. I believe there is nothing wrong with either situation, given that there was parental consent in both situations, and was within the confines of marriage.
Biologically, as humans, we are able to have sex and reproduce as soon as puberty, which in some cases can be as early as nine years old! I in no way advocate sex that early, but biologically speaking, we can.
I offer this as a counter-point to what I just stated: in those societies where children do get married or enter into life-long relationships, it should be noted that they are required to mature mentally faster than American children. Rights of passage still exist that determine when a boy becomes a man, etc. Some of these rights happen as early as 13 years old. In America, indeed in most modern civilizations, we no longer have rights of passage, which leaves our young men and women, who are biologically wired to begin producing children at young ages, wondering what is right. Are the morals and ethics of this society right? Or, are the biological triggers within them guiding them correctly?
I believe that meaningful sex can occur between a child as young as those mentioned and an adult and can be spiritually, mentally, and emotionally beneficial within the confines of marriage, and indeed, happens every day on this earth.
Do not misinterpret what I’ve said. Remember that these are within the confines of marriage, and in America, to be married at an age less than 18 requires parental consent.
My views are automatically therefore set against what happened in this case, as no one initially knew of the relationship between the child and teacher; they tried to keep it a secret, and obviously, were not married.
I submit this entry for intellectual discussion and, if desired, a faith-based approach to this debate. Remember, however, to keep an objective tone, for when you lash out at people and deliver emotions into an arguement, you discredit yourself and your arguement.
Kelsey Peterson
Nov 4, 2007 at 11:28 am
[…] having a sexual relationship with the student. It’s started quite the conversation over at MyCrimeSpace […]
Dan
Nov 4, 2007 at 11:29 am
I think Kenny needs to able to ask and be answered. Pedophiles often profess feelings of love for children. Shouldn’t they be able to seek understanding so they don’t hurt the children they profess to love?
There are some pieces missing here, much of it biological and developmental. We’re also neglecting the psychological impact of a power imbalance, and imbalance that clearly exists between adults and kids. Between kids being on a much lower rung developmentally and perceiving themselves as in the power and protection of adult, kids cannot be on equal footing with an adult.
That stuff is pretty straightforward. Pedophiles usually believe they’ll be the exception to those rules. The most complicated justifications come from the incomplete idea that children are sensual and sexual beings. But being sexual as a child is far from the same thing as being sexual as an adult. Safe, appropriate, developmentally healthy sexual explorations are almost always solitary for a child. Even too much sexuality with another child at a similar stage is a sign of unhealthy exposure of some sort.
It can be confusing for pedophiles because children can be so sensual, trusting, and expressive. Kids love contact and affection. And the majority of pedophiles do not coerce children into encounters. They rely on the child’s affection for them and the child’s innocence about sexual matters. What pedophiles need to know is that sexual contact with adults always damages a child. Children always say it does at the time and once they’re grown. Though it’s very complicated, it’s essentially because sexual contact does not fit into a child’s developmental stage and feels wrong to have a protector initiate something wrong. The child then begins to make other connections about adults, their safety, being taken advatage of, what it says about them that they were used.
In kids words, affection within the proper bounds of relationship feels good. Contact, even simple affection, outside of boundaries, feels icky and scary and like they are bad people. Often kids enter into sexual contact trusting the guidance of an adult because they care for the person, want to please, and just don’t know any better. They usually end up paying for not knowing any better with how they feel about themselves for the rest of their lives.
It’s not a cultural value kids have picked up and internalized. I counseled an 85 year old women who was a kid when molestation “did not exist.” She permitted a family friend she initially cared for to touch her several times. No one but her molester ever knew. She spent her entire life feeling dirty, befouled, less.
Children’s complicated little minds are vulnerable in their constant state of change. When we love them, we protect their childhoods.
K9
Nov 4, 2007 at 11:47 am
Here is a nice little twist.
The boy is an illegal alien and will not be allowed to enter the US!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307941,00.html
Patrick
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:35 pm
not saying all the people in Nebraska are that way but i know that a few are so what is the age for it not to be rape on a child they do practice cousin relationship in the south west part of nebraska i know in Trenton Neb they do my i know of one that slept with her cousin for over 2 years so if you want to be with your cousin go to Trenton Neb
Lou
Nov 4, 2007 at 12:36 pm
Thank you, Dan.
I will tell you something about myself. When I was young, someone in my family (by marriage) would expose himself to me. He never put his hands on me. This was a person I respected, trusted, and loved. I was sickened by it. I was frightened by it. It still haunts me to this day. When I was 9 and he first came into the picture, he would chase me around the house and try to kiss me. I HATED it, but everyone thought it was cute and funny. Who could know he was a creep? You just didn’t hear about things like this back in 1976! Then it went to the cut off shorts and no underwear and he’d sit on the floor with his legs all splayed out in front of my sister and myself so that some of his “parts” came out of a leg hole. I would stay at their house on the weekend and when I’d be laying on the couch, watching tv until I was ready to go to sleep, his wife would go to bed and he’d take a shower. He’d come into the room I was in with a towel wrapped around him and would make the towel “slip” and do the “oops”, like it was an accident, and he’d be standing there with an erection! I had never even SEEN a penis at that point in my life, so I didn’t know that they weren’t always like that. After a while though, I figured out that it wasn’t just an accident. I’d still stay there because his wife loved me and we were very close, but at night, when I heard the water turn off in the bathroom, I’d turn the tv off and roll over and pretend to be asleep. I knew nothing of sex at that point in my life, but I KNEW that what he was doing was WRONG and it made me feel dirty and ashamed. I feel very fortunate that he never put his hands on me.
So now you have it first hand how it feels to be a child and to have an adult approach you in a sexual manner. Even if you know and love and trust the person, something inside you KNOWS that when they do something like that to you, it’s not right! We are STILL taught that it is BEST to not engage in sex or have children outside the confines of marriage. That’s what I was taught, anyway, and that’s what I believe. I don’t even think it’s okay for two consenting 14 year olds to have sex. It’s probably less emotionally damaging to them, since they’re both kids…remember when you were 14? I don’t know about any of you, but when *I* was 14, I was invincible! I had all the answers and no one could tell me any different! That is why adults have to PROTECT children from this and educate them inside their homes about this.
I feel like I’m not getting my point across and starting to get too emotional and I don’t want to make any more “bullet in the face” references, so I’ll stop here regarding that matter.
As for the FBI, they monitor stuff like this all the time. All anyone would have to do is contact the people who work with Dateline NBC To Catch A Predator and direct them to this thread and if they found it as disturbing as most of us seem to, they’d be all over Kenny like white on rice. He was foolish to say the things that he was thinking on a public forum. He may have been trying to be funny, or to spark debate, but it felt to me like he is very passionate about what he said and that he DOES feel that it’s okay. Even if he retracted his statements, would you believe it? He’s possibly set himself up for a world of hurt. Yes, we’re free to state our opinions in this country, but when those opinions are so heinous and so far from what the laws permit and so far from what society finds normal, people start looking into you. If they didn’t, it would be irresponsible. That is part of the job of law enforcement. Protecting citizens from coming to harm. Be careful, Kenny…you never know when Dateline could come to your town!
BelchSpeak
Nov 4, 2007 at 1:18 pm
“The boy is an illegal alien and will not be allowed to enter the US!”
I think I called that in my first post, didn’t I? And then Paul wanted to be a little bitch and challenge me that a spanish last name didn’t make someone an “illegal citizen.”
Suck it Paul. And there are no such things as “illegal citizens.” There are citizens (you have to earn citizenship), and there are illegal aliens.
Hey, if every kid-touching teacher could deport one dumbass illegal alien, this country would be a much better place.
Dan
Nov 4, 2007 at 2:30 pm
Wow, Lou, that was a powerful story. Thank you for sharing it. I think that’s the sort of story pedophiles need to hear, to know that even such seemingly benign displays and games can harm a child.
When discussions turn to morals, they become about points of view and opinions. When we’re arguing societal ills, it’s important to realize that we have factual information at our disposal and not just our moral outrage. Maybe at a time when all anti-pedophila messages were generated in popular morality, it was possible for pedophiles to propose that we all examine our beliefs. But now, we’re beyond mere beliefs. After decades of inquiry, we know pedophilia harms children. The argument necessarily becomes whether or not we have a right to harm children.
So Lou, in a way I was defending Kenny’s right to ask. Pedophiles, especially with support they receive in online communities, operate under a dangerous set of justifications based in misapplied half-truths. (Ex: Kids are sexual. Kids are curious. Kids are resilient. Molesters force kids against their will therefore no force means no molestation.)
What are we going to do about this apparent increase in pedophilia? For the pedophiles who are rapists, self-indulging violators, we can only increase our policing efforts. But what do we do when people like Kenny, operating under misguided beliefs, tell us they truly think it’s ok and even loving to interact sexually with children? Well, Kenny had access to Lou’s story about her loving uncle engaging in non-physical sexual acts and hurting her deeply, lastingly. Maybe Kenny has not offended against a child. Maybe he will go to a counselor, get the help he needs to prevent hurting anyone. Finding a child molester after they have offended is too late. Find a young person confusingly attracted to children and instead of allowing him or her to be informed only by the justifications of other pedophiles, let that person know the pain and damage they could cause. Challenge him or her to act on the love they say they feel.
It’s easy to say “kill them,” but clearly that’s not going to happen. So what are we going to do? It might not be as satisfying, but we need to stop combating pedophile justifications with pure moral outrage and let them ask “what’s wrong with sex with a child?” If they don’t know innately from their experiences in childhood and with children, then they need our input. What’s more, we and our chldren need at least that minimal access to them. Lou did more good than any of us. I’m glad Kenny asked and wasn’t entirely pushed out. I hope other pedophiles read Lou’s story.
Jake of Sigourney
Nov 4, 2007 at 3:46 pm
Marriage is legal at age 14 in many US venues. For Mz. Peterson’s sake, her best bet would be to now marry the boy in Mexico or perhaps in a state like Alabama as soon as he has a birthday. The heart wants what it wants, so lets help this hapless girl out. We need all the good math teachers we can get in the USA, so lets cut her a break !!! Jake in Sigourney
Julian
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:16 pm
BelchSpeak, go F(_)k your sister-mommy while your uncle-daddy watches nascar. Shyt like you should have a slow, pinful, agonizing, death!
Rott in hell you peice of human shyt!
Adam
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Now, how does this affect the case…that the kid who was abducted and taken to Mexico was an illegal immigrant?
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/boy-stranded-after-teacher-is-arrested/20071101175909990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001
Adam
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:37 pm
In short, to the above comment, this child will probably not be allowed to return to the USA…and that could cause problems with prosection. Now, I don’t THINK Ms. Peterson knew the kid was an illegal and trying to be a vigilante.
BelchSpeak
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:37 pm
Julian, wipe your chin.
Lou
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Yeah, I kinda did get away from the teacher and moved onto Kenny. I don’t think that she went into teaching to have access to children so she could molest them one by one by one as they got older and didn’t appeal to her anymore. I wouldn’t call her a hardcore pedophile. I saw a picture of the boy, and he’s a handsome kid. Combined with her immaturity, and probably a wink here and there and him telling her she was pretty(all hypothetical), maybe her self esteem was non-existent and it made her feel good. (Talk about a run on sentence!) She clearly lacked the capacity, for some reason, to walk away from the situation. Compared to when I was 25, alot of people that age act like I did when I was 17. In her case, I think it was a huge mistake by a very misguided and immature woman. Didn’t the one teacher who got pregnant by one of her students end up marrying the boy after prison and everything? Not saying that it’s okay cause it turned out the way they wanted it to in the end. I just can’t understand anyone wanting to be with a child in that way. Why would anyone adult to steal that innocence? I simply can’t understand it.
The way I feel about pedophilia is this…NAMBLA, particularly. These men want to be with young boys. Young boys who are innocent and inexperienced. They want to teach them and “love” them. They aren’t in it for a long lasting relationship though. I’ve never heard of a child being in a relationship with a grown man that lasted beyond the boy getting “too old” for the man’s tastes. Many times, these boys who were abused are then used to recruit NEW boys. Then they are left broken and confused, and some of them go on to become abusers themselves. Because some person with a twisted mind is the one who is introducing them to sex and telling them they love them and that they care for them. When they get too old, they’re left out in the cold, feeling ashamed and alone with no one to turn to because they “consented”. THAT is why we have laws for statutory rape. That is why it is wrong. Remember your first broken heart? I remember mine. Imagine having it broken by a grown man who supposedly LOVES you, but the reason they don’t love you anymore is because you’re not physically appealing to them anymore? A pedophile doesn’t have the intention of growing old and making a life with these children they profess to love. They just get left out in the rain, like a broken toy, and the man moves on to destroy a new child.
Could you imagine being the parent of a child who’s adult “lover” came to the door to ask permission to be with your kid? BANG ZOOM!!! Seriously…Kenny, if you can find a parent on the planet who would allow that, more power to ya!
BelchSpeak
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:42 pm
Adam said,
“Now, I don’t THINK Ms. Peterson knew the kid was an illegal and trying to be a vigilante.”
I think she knew. Of course she didn’t do it as a vigilante; she was too stupid to have a better plan than to run to Mexico. But she knew he was illegal. It had to have come up in a conversation some time or another.
Kenny
Nov 4, 2007 at 4:47 pm
I just want to thank you, Lou, for your story, because as far as I am concerned, more knowledge from experience can only mean that we will be more likely to discover what is actually true. That is what I really want to know. What is true! If it turns out that children are always harmed by these experiences, then that is what is true, so I hope we can prove that and know it with no room for doubt. Do you see what I am getting at? I admit, it’s a bit of an immature mathematical viewpoint on a sensitive subject.
And, Dan, I think yours is one of the most mature viewpoints I’ve seen on here, but I am not sure why everyone is so quick to accuse me of being one way or another just because I demand answers and intelligent rational thought from our population.
Finally, a point that one of the previous posters made was basically this: “We don’t know that children aren’t always hurt by these things, so we must assume that they are, for their safety, until we find some damned good evidence to show otherwise.” I absolutely agree with that viewpoint. In fact, I think the same mindset can be applied to the question of the morality of abortion. We don’t know whether it is right or wrong, and there are some very legitimate reasons to suppose that it could be wrong, so why risk it?
Robin
Nov 4, 2007 at 5:30 pm
For those asking which one Kelsey is in her MySpace photo: she is the fat one on the right.
Dan
Nov 4, 2007 at 5:48 pm
Kenny, that you have pedophilic feelings was quickly assumed because you spoke so easily of arrangements that seem absurd to those of us with certain aversions wired in. Incest, bestiality, eating feces, and having sex with children are strong common aversions that protect individuals and populations.
Lilo
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:03 pm
Not to butt in here, but … come on.
Kenny- “far as I am concerned, more knowledge from experience can only mean that we will be more likely to discover what is actually true.”
From experience? So what, your suggestion is that we concede to allowing all children to be sexually abused in order to see if it really hurts every single one of them? Are you nuts, or just to full of yourself that you actually think that this is the best method possible??
I really was going to bite my tongue on this one, really I was. But… you’re asinine theories are just to off base to be swiped under the rug.
Pedophiles are not into the loving relationships that they pretend to be. Their preference for children comes ONLY because they have a sexual desire for them, not because they have actual “love”. And when the child grows out of their AoA, they will move onto their next victim, that right there is a pretty good sign that it’s lust and not love.
Putting any child at risk of being manipulated and exploited by some sick lil pedofreak just so you can stand back and gain “more knowledge from experience” is senseless. Sort of like if I was to say that I didn’t think everyone stoned to death felt the process was completely painful, so we should get more experience in the area by stoning a few idiots before deciding the moral objections we might have to it.
Kenny
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:06 pm
Lilo says: So what, your suggestion is that we concede to allowing all children to be sexually abused in order to see if it really hurts every single one of them?
No, that was not my suggestion at all. I was reiterating the need to listen to people like Lou who have stories to share about this issue.
Quit putting words in my mouth.
Sweet Jebus
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:20 pm
I have to say this, beyond the crime, that she was very smart to go to Mexico. The boy is an illegal, I don’t think he’ll be allowed to go back or HAVE to go back. She’s off the hook, well, at least a little.
With a face like hers, no wonder why she is banging 13 year olds. DAWG FACE!
Devin
Just me
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Now the local DA will have a hard time. Turn’s out that the Student is in fact an illegal alien and was refused reentry in the US, so there’s the only witness that cannot testify in court, unless the cops go down there and interview him.
But even then he won’t be able to testify in court, even if he wanted to.
Lilo
Nov 4, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Kenny,
It takes less than 10 seconds to do a search on Google to find what the effects of sexual abuse are on children. If you were really interested in learning about the topic- any half hearted research paper would have given you that. Hearing the pain straight from a victim isn’t needed for those that have any sort of common sense.
But you’ve lacked the ability to show any common sense, starting with your first assertions, through your guidelines for ‘child/adult’ relationships all the way to your latest comment.
You “demand answers and intelligent rational thought”, when you yourself have shown none. And only when provoked with the true to life story of a surviver do you back track in an attempt to sound less morally challenged than you really are.
The only thing you have even started to properly reiterate is the mating call defense of pedophiles who click around the internet declaring how it’s so wrong for everyone to assume that sexual exploitation hurts, and how we should all see it as nothing else normal than homosexuality, or heterosexuality.
Dan
Nov 4, 2007 at 7:50 pm
I’ve got some stories:
One 10 year old girl talked to a man on the street about how short shorts should be. She smiled, laughed, talked about her shorts and generally enjoyed the attention. The man eventually exposed himself to her. She fled. At home, overwhelmed with guilt by feelings of having invited the attention, she cried hidden in the attic, wetting her pants rather than go downstairs and face her family.
A gifted 14 year old boy enjoyed the attentions of his sister’s 17 year old boyfriend. The 14 year old, fatherless, admired the older boy in a way that bordered on hero-worship. The older boy “groomed” the younger boy, meaning he gradually got him accustomed to greater and greater uncomfortably invasive behavior, such as slipping into the boys bed to talk late at night and masturbating in front of the younger boy. Eventually, the 17 year old boy penetrated the 14 year old boy, which he permitted silently. Three years later, when the 14 year old was 17 himself, he confessed this event in tears to his girlfriend as an explanation of why he was unable to use the shower but could only wash in the sink. I twice brought this boy to be admitted to a psychiatric hospital for his suicidal intentions. In self-loathing, he cut himself so deeply with the many blades he purchased for the task that the function of his left hand is impaired.
A physically healthy 19 year old boy with erectile dysfunction attributes his inability to trust women to “consensual” first intercourse when he was 13 with a 21 year old woman.
In my experience, adolescents (which ends in early 20s) who “consent” to sexual acts they feel pressured or confused about how to handle suffer far greater repurcussions than those forcibly violated. Someone forcibly violated can come to terms with the idea that there are bad people in the world. Young people who do anything less than fight back screaming fear they are the bad people, the degraded, used, usable. This damage manifests itself in several ways so consistently (such as self-abuse, eating disorders, sexual dysfunction…) that I cannot recall ever encountering an exception.
Ashley
Nov 4, 2007 at 8:29 pm
ok I don’t think she is ugly or fat for that matter. You assholes that think she is are causeing little girls to think they are fat and ugly and causing them to have eating problems. In my experience, guys that say hurtful things about people they don’t know have not much room to talk themselves. So that being said, please tell you mom to quit letting you fuck her, cuz god knows thats probably all you can get.
lapluie
Nov 4, 2007 at 9:28 pm
OK. Time for a tally:
Pedophiles, in order of severity:
Kenny Chris Charlie
There you go.
Keyboard Cowboy
Nov 4, 2007 at 9:29 pm
Kenny…. are you a kiddie molester? You sound like one. Are you one these perverts?
daz
Nov 5, 2007 at 12:22 am
Lou Wrote:
Cause I wasn’t kidding about that bullet! I’d go to prison for torture and murder if some man or woman did what this woman did to MY child. The only thing I’d be sorry for would be that I couldn’t bring the bastard back to life and do it again!!!
Lou you are nothing more than a liar, a hypocrite and a show-off. Female teachers have been getting away with exactly this crime for decades and what have you done? Nothing. You’re just gonna sit at home waiting for someone to do it to your child and then go torture that person. Other people’s kids have it done to them every day but that isn’t enough to stir you into action. It has to be your kid. So let’s recap Lou’s attitude towards child rape: He doesn’t like it ands reserves the right to make dire threats but if it happens to someone else’s child he will do nothing; if it’s his child he will torture you and then kill you.
Opinion
Nov 5, 2007 at 1:06 am
I want to address the “illegal alien” part, but for the record, not every child comes out ‘destroyed’ from having an early sexual encounter. Have everyone heard about this middle school that is giving away condoms and pills for girls because of the high rate of pregnancy in girls 11-14? This is interesting because if John Doe gives little Daisy who is 12 a condom to protect herself, he will be charged with accessory to commit sexual battery, child endargement, and god knows what other charges (yes, in this country they pile up charges to see which ones stick, don’t you love it?). Isn’t the school guilty of the same crime? That’s aiding and abetting sexual performance by a child. Now, let’s address the illegal alien, and I beg those who have made derogative comments, to please read on.
This country was MADE out of immigrants. The only REAL Americans are the indians whom we decimated to take their land. Then we brough slaves, against their will. Decades ago, we began using asians for railroad construction, and then mexicans to work the lands. And now we despice them.
I don’t really care what the heritage of each one of you is. I don’t care if you’re white, black, or blue or purple. The moment I start disrespecting a person for his/her origin, or the color of the skin, I’m going back 100 years at least in social development. I know most Americans have “issues” against illegal immigrants. Next time you go to the grocery store, make sure you wash all tomatoes very well, they were hand-picked by those illegal immigrants most likely. And when we have kicked them all out, and you have to pay $14.95 for a tomatoe, remember that the $4.95/hr worker is gone south of Tijuana, and the $14.95 goes to finance is the minimum pay a “citizen” would accept to get his/her hands dirty. If we’re one thing, is ungrateful. We’ve allowed the media to play with our emotions, and use the 9/11 issue to blast illegal immigrants who (by the way) come to this country looking for the american dream, as most of us do. The truth about 9/11 is that ALL TERRORISTS were not illegally in the U.S. They had visas. So what’s the fuzz with illegal immigrants? Oh yes, let’s not give them driver licenses, so they all will [still] drive uninsured, and so we DO NOT KNOW who’s here and who is not. I wonder who the hell is drafting all these hate policies. Because that’s the truth, it seems to be a hate-based system. Anyway, if things keep on going this way, we’re doing them a favor to send them home because we’ll end up killing each other out of hate and inconformity.
Now, what really, truly bothers me is when someone makes a distinction between a child, and an “illegal immigrant child”. For those that do that, I place you at the same level as a child molester. The molester privates them from their innocense, but those who make that distinction private them from their humanity.
I’m sick and tired of people blasting on the “illegal immigrants” community. Did you know that etnic discrimination doesn’t put you too far from nazi ideologies? I can taste bitternes when they refer to illegal immigrants as if they were less human. So is it less of a crime to molest an illegal immigrant child?
Some food for thought here… women who are illegal aliens but are victims of domestic violence, can stay in the country. Shouldn’t it be the same with underage illegal aliens victims of sexual abuse as this mexican kid?
BelchSpeak
Nov 5, 2007 at 2:34 am
Illegal alien child rape victims just crave it more. Its in their blood once they travel north of the Rio Grande.
Alyric
Nov 5, 2007 at 4:38 am
@Opinion
How do you get “ethnic discrimination” from “illegal immigrants”?
As a matter of fact, one could easily accuse you of something similar for using such a small minority (illegal immigrants) to represent an entire ethnic group.
It’s not the ethnicity that’s the problem. It’s immigrating to the country illegally, taking jobs away from American citizens - and then not paying taxes - and numerous other issues.
If you want to immigrate to America, gre