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86 opinions for MySpace Murder Media Scare

• Dan
  Jan 18, 2008 at 1:12 am

  16 and 18 and many 21 year olds can’t handle entertainment violence. They’re not wired yet. It’s not good for them. They have no place for it in them. Effects run the spectrum from further desensitization to, I believe, forming gruesome obsessions that will someday be actions.

  I know plenty of kids for whom this little chainsaw corpse cutey would be pure silliness. But for these two young people who glorify dark emotions and impulses, if can be seen in hindsight as a sign of desensitization.

  Kids like these two cannot see “Saw”. Violence is not in proper context for them. We need “Saw” to be too much for teens. Overwhelming horror and revulsion is the appropriate reaction. I want to argue that such flicks are too much for anyone, but I’m partial to zombie flicks myself, so, er, I’ll refrain. Well, except to say that the subtleties are tremendously important. Scenes where pleasure is derived from mutilating and violating others are dangerous for some.

  I like zombies because you get the dream-like thrill of horror but the surrealism of some virus making the monsters non-human, or if you identify with the zombie, an irresistable virus absolving you of responsiblity for your flesh-munching ways.

  What do you identify with and fantasize? Running, fear informing your muscles? The thrill of survival for someone with a desk job? What if you saw something like “Saw” and identified and fantasized about hurting people in creative ways? That’s how some people react.

  For lots of kids exposed too young, gruesome horror flicks intensify their desensitization, promote numbness over empathy. It’s a big problem, but it doesn’t necessarily create criminals. But those rare few who misinterpret the thrill they’re getting, go certain places with it at a time their brains are laying down wiring, they will be trouble. We make our monsters.

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• Bootyj
  Jan 18, 2008 at 1:35 pm

  Dan it is funny cause I was having this conversation with my hubby just yesterday. I have two boys (ages 12 and 6) who are the most polite, passive, well mannered children. And I am not just saying this cause I am there mother. Teachers, strangers in a store or restaruant always say it. My hubby has a film degree and is very partial to horror movies, gangster movies and pretty much overall violent flicks (especially zombie movies as well). The theory that violence and a violent invorment breads violence I dont think it really valid. It is the same thing that is said over and over and over on the board, where the hell are the parents. My boys are loved and nutured, they were taught early on that TV violence is not real and should never be acted out (they are both extremely intelligent, over achievers, athletic, musical). We make watching films a family event, we watch them together (we also balance mvie watching with educational television, and lots and lots of reading).The kids in this story probably have way more issues with thier upbringing that resulted in thier actions.

• Dan
  Jan 18, 2008 at 2:19 pm

  I agree with what you’re saying, but I’m assuming you don’t let them watch horror flicks about mutilating people creatively. Probably limit what the 12 year old sees too. “Violence” is such a broad term. There are important subtleties.

  I think kids need to be protected from concepts they can’t process and still maintain their optimism, flexibility and sense of security. Kids’ minds are superbly impressionable. Sometimes liberal ideals promote a cold “honesty.” Yet 6 year olds should not know about the concept of rape. They’re really only ready to have an incomplete idea that adults have something fun and loving called sex. These ages and stages of readiness are more important than we think.

  Sometimes we kid ourselves to make parenting easier. That’s where all this internet mess comes from. Also sex and violence. Kids need a safe space to take in these radical ideas gradually.

  I let my daughter watch Sex in the City too young, about 15. I thought it made sex seem natural and fun. Turns out it did give her mixed up ideas. She’s not damaged by it. Still, an authentic discovery phase is ideal. Sounds innocent, but I believe it. Don’t need to learn about sex swings before you’ve really explored and enjoyed second base. Letting her watch it made parenting easier. I think I made justifications to myself so I could argue over and police one less topic with her.

  And being a zombie (and vampire and any apocolypse in general) fan, I want to defend the fantasy outlet of horror. But recently I’ve come to believe that’s just me being lazy.

  A truly special boy I know, family friend, just freaked me out bad. He’s 12, bright, gifted musically, vocally, studious but fantatically so. He’s a bit of a radical, likes to push social boundaries, but well within healthy limits. The thing that always strikes me as special about him is how loving and empathetic he is. This of course makes him seem sensitive and vulnerable.

  I hate South Park. It uses a technique good therapists use, seeding ideas and leaving them there to mature. South Park drops in seeds of horror young minds are not capable of handling healthily. I happened to watch an episode of South Park with this boy where there was a reference drawn from the Marquis de Sade, coincidentally a reference I struggled with at 23. “People want and do these things?!?! Are people inately evil?”" Ideas can be so potent to forming, sponge-like young minds. We forget how monumental nuances, context, all those subtleties were to us.

  So this wonderful boy said to me as he was enthusiastically hugging me during a joyous family occasion, “I’d like to cut you open with a knife and let out all your sparkly stuff!” Talk about alarm bells. We dissected it. To him, it was a cartoony bloom of joy. I’m not going to make more of it than it was, but still, it’s telling. Some kids take these thoughts and visuals very seriously, very personally.

  I think that old psychological adage of whatever is in your mind being ok, all fantasy being fine as long as it’s not action, is old news. That was before pedophile and cannibal advocates and support groups, before movies probing every corner of creative violence. Some thoughts are not ok. I’m starting to believe that. Some thoughts need help. Really, I don’t want kids I love associating cutting people open with a knife with loving acts.

  Kids’ minds are more fragile than it’s convenient for us to acknowledge.

• Brendan
  Jan 18, 2008 at 6:49 pm

  So how did this turn into a slam on south park - that was totally out of left field. The fact of the matter is, these “kids” were 19 and 16 - not quite the fragile little minds you portray. You make good points, but goofy little pics like that are not unnecessarily a sign of a mental inbalance - it’s just more fear mongers looking to stir the pot - like trench says, shenanigans. The people in question were obviously unbalanced, but i doubt the keep it brutal pic was what drove them to do what they did. They were either fucked in the head from the get go, or something in their upbringing made them feel that this was the right thing to do. Blaming the evil TV or the evil computer is just lazy scapegoating.

• glenna
  Jan 18, 2008 at 10:11 pm

  I know Dustin. Know his family well. Parents divorced when he was about 8 years old. Great family. Very wealthy for the area. Dustin was a sheltered kid. Not allowed a lot of freedom or independance. Played lots and lots of online games like Halo. Dad owns the theater in town, probably seen every movie ever made. He never had a lot of friends. He had a brain tumor removed about three years ago. Major brain surgery. Never really went back to school after that. Never graduated highschool, just worked at the theater. Family travels a lot. he has been to Europe numerous times, goes to Hawaii every year during winter break. I am totally shocked, but not.

• Alek
  Jan 18, 2008 at 11:15 pm

  You guys have no right even talking about Krista! She was my best friend, i knew her for 7 years and i hope they get put away for a very long time!

• glenna
  Jan 19, 2008 at 9:11 am

  Uh, yea, I think this site is open to the public. The public is free to comment. Not to worry. The two will be put away for a long time. What they did to the young girl is beyond the pale. Absolutely senseless and horrifying to comprehend. It is not wrong to seek some kind of understanding through discussion of the various aspects of the situation. Violence breeds violence. And that includes video games and movies, tv, etc. Playing too much online games can make one feel empowered, imo. Especially if you are good. Builds up the ego in a secretice, anonymous way. It is also isolating.

• Dan
  Jan 19, 2008 at 1:24 pm

  Brendan,

  Sorry, I write so much it’s hard to do more than skim. We were talking about media violence, thus South Park, particularly creative, fearless and seemingly benign as it’s a cartoon.

  Of course you realize this 19 year old was brought up on all sorts of violent images before he was 19. No one thinks the chainsaw cutie made them do it. For some minds and some circumstances, relentless, commonly accepted, horrifying media violence finds bad lodgings.

  The lazy thing to do is say these things have no effect. We see the influences on a daily basis. What’s more, criminals tell us how they think about their crimes. Often it’s from a desensitized, violence accepting place.

  Images of violence impact the mind, just as all experiences do. If we decry violence, then it’s not “good” for any kid. And for some kids, it just adds to the wiring that permits them to commit violent acts.

• MaderaNews
  Jan 19, 2008 at 3:34 pm

  Hey Alek, you do not have the exclusive right to discuss this murder. Krista is public domain now. We can chat, talk, write and say anything we want. You want to mourn her and you should. She was your friend. But you have no right to tell other people what they can write or say.

  In fact I would put this out there for people to think about. This boyfriend, not the killer one, was 19 years old. This Britney girl was only 16 years old. A three year difference. Under California law if they had sex it would have been unlawful and possibly statutory rape. Will Thomas be prosecuted if it comes out he had sex with the 16 year old?

  Maybe if he wouldn’t have played with this 16 year old his girlfriend would still be alive. How cruel was he in how he took her virginity then dumped her. In my mind he is just as responsible as Gran for the killing of Krista.

  Thomas Hollier belongs in jail too.

• glenna
  Jan 19, 2008 at 5:51 pm

  Nah, I’m not buying it, MN. There is a three year difference for age of consent in CA, looks like TH fell within the legal limits. Do the math. If TH was guilty of statuatory rape, it would be a misdemeanor anyhow. Regardless, it does not compare to what was done to Krista. Navarro and Gran need to pay with the loss of their freedom for the rest of their lives. Sad to say. May their respective families come to find some peace in their lives. Bright Blessings to all. Peace.

• murdera
  Jan 19, 2008 at 7:38 pm

  i know thomas and hes not the type of guy to purposely hurt a girl.we live in a small town and the age difference is normal and common,and of course since its a small town everyones went out with eachothers x’s and all that so theres alwas a lot of drama.thomas didnt deserve that and neither did krista.as for gran i didnt really know him but i had seen him a few times and his appearance was less than casual and i’ll leave it like that.as for brittney,i had her in half of my classes and she didnt seem insane or anything.she would sit in the back and not talk to anyone.the only thing i noticed was that in our history class we had an open project on whatever we wanted….heres was on teen suicide.which in a way relates to death, which therefore realtes to murder.

• Rape is Rape
  Jan 19, 2008 at 8:52 pm

  Right the leagl limit is three years. Thomas is 19 and Britney is 16. That is three years. I’ve done the math. Now I don’t know what math you use in the backwoods of Madera but three years plus one day is enough for statutory rape.

  Thomas Hollier should be in the cell next to Gran. He manipulated that girl, stole her virginity, then dumped her when his girlfriend moved back. He is an adult of 19 years of age. She is a minor of 16 years old.

  If he wouldn’t have screwed this child, his girlfriend would still be alive.

• Jen
  Jan 19, 2008 at 9:06 pm

  Thomas Hollier is innocent

• Jen
  Jan 19, 2008 at 9:14 pm

  Navarra and Gran point blank knew right from wrong. What they did was wrong, you take a life your life should be taken. I would not want their life to be taken the way Krista’s was cause it was so brutal. To do what he did to another human is inhumane, no one in their right mind could do what he had done. Gran commmited the act and Navarra created it. They shall rot in hell. Love and Peace

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 19, 2008 at 11:45 pm

  Who cares? This is Murdera where no one is innocent!

• Kym
  Jan 20, 2008 at 12:06 am

  Who cares??? UMMMM let me think maybe the family that has to live without her now!Maybe if Brittany wasnt being such a bitch and get over the fact that she wasnt good enough then Krista would still be alive! Oh and what kind of boyfriend would kill his gfs ex gf because his current gf still has feelings for another guy!!! I think that would pretty much be a dumb ass!

• Susan
  Jan 20, 2008 at 4:16 am

  As soon as i heard about this horrific murder, i accessed Dustin Gran’s myspace page before they stripped it offline all together and found myself playing detective. Before long, just by his page, i figured out who the players were. Now that it all out, there is just one thing that i want to touch on that has yet to even really been brought out, surprisingly. I am no one to judge by any means, but just based on the myspace page itself, i was not impressed with Thomas Hollier, the boyfriend, that this whole thing was apparently about. Lets just say that Gran’s and Navarra’s pages were not the only ones that were demonic and violent. I understand that in this country we have the freedom of religion…Hollier listed atheist….ok, under loves….his answer….killing things. And what just gave me a sick feeling in my stomach….under who do you want to meet….Hollier’s answer….the devil. Ok disturbing. Again, i am no one to judge, but in my opinion….BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR. In this case, in my opinion, he met the devil. And there is a picture of him wearing glasses on the front page of the Madera Tribune. Hollier’s page was extremely demonic and violent and to say the least it was very unpleasant and volatile, that is, until he changed it and it is now reads a “Tribute to Krista-Rae Pike” By all means a nicer page…again, i just want to say that i was so unimpressed with “the boyfriend” that it was so hard to feel sorry for him, but my heart ached for Krista, an innocent victim, in a very disturbing tragedy.

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 20, 2008 at 1:54 pm

  Thomas got what he deserved. Now he will move on to another young girl and fuck up her life too.

• Jen
  Jan 20, 2008 at 9:10 pm

  You can not blame Thomas for what happened to Krista. Yes his myspace was on the shocking side but dumping a girl does not give her the right to construde such a horrific idea. I am sure that Thomas was not the only boy in Navarra’s life, shall she be innocent cause she cared for Thomas a little more than others. If everyone in the world who has had their heart broken by a significant other went out and slayed their ex’s new spouses then the world would be a very lonely place. You guys are all looking to point a finger a someone. Stop and look at the cold facts, Navarra construed the plan nad Gran carried it out. Hard cold evidence.

• Anna
  Jan 20, 2008 at 10:49 pm

  It is a tragedy for all four families and their extended families. Today parents do their best to raise their children. Society has cause issues of desensitivity, lack of morals and consciencious. TH forget to mention in his interviews with the media that he was also engaged to Brittany one month prior. Also from the reports I have read Brittany was not present. How many times have people made hateful statements but did not act upon them. Dustin may not be in the right mind but I still have issues with how a 16 year old could convince a 19 year to kill for them. They only went on a few dates (media quotes). There has to be more to the story which will play out in court. I have read all three my space pages and it saddens me to see how the media censationalize this story. What about Dustin….it appears Brittany is getting all the media press and Dustin’s press is limited. Is this because he comes from a wealthy family? Will this be another OJ case? My heart goes out to all the families involved and whether these kids get the death penalty or life in prison..It is a tragedy and there are no winners. Outside of this trial there are other’s who are living out this tragedy and are also suffering. My prayers go out to all the families and may they find some peace.

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 21, 2008 at 4:49 am

  Married at 18 or 19 while still in school. She faced a life of getting knocked up before she was 20 and divorced by 22. A life on welfare and no child support. What kind of parents would allow such stuff to happen in their own house?

• crystal
  Jan 22, 2008 at 4:37 pm

  I am so sad to hear that this beautiful girl had to go through this. She did nothing wrong but fall in love with someone that had baggage.She paid for his actions and it was wrong of them to take her life. I was bothered to see on thomas holliers myspace page that he changed his status to SINGLE what the hell krista has not even been gone long and thats what you change on your myspace…i dont get it. I think there is more on his end and i think he might of played this brittany girl more then people know. I do feel bad for hollier to have to go through the experience of finding krista and that must be very hard but the real victim here was krista dont forget that people…my prayers go out to her family and friends..she truly was a beautiful soul you can tell that by her smile..

• thewrightshara
  Jan 25, 2008 at 2:00 am

  i didnt know krista, and i dont know anyone who is involved. i do know that this simon guy is a jackass fo all of the crap he is putting on here. there are probably family members reading this and are hurting even more becuase of the bashing you are doing. they dont need an opinion of a jackass!!! have some respect!! who cares if they dont beleive in god. thats on them. but i think (i know my thoughts dont matter either) when they are found guilty, madera will feel a lot safer knowing that there arent some crazy killers on the loose. for kristas boyfriend, i find it odd how calm he acted after finding his girlfriend murdered. i put myself in his position…i would be traumatized…the love of my life in front of me ..murdered. but people handle things in their own way. my prayers go out to the families. and i hope that justice will be served.

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 25, 2008 at 2:32 am

  You don’t know me so don’t pretend. Nobody really cares, even the boyfriend has changed his page to read “SINGLE”. I am sure he is cruising the junior highs for a replacement already.

• crystal
  Jan 25, 2008 at 3:08 am

  i think the bf hollier might of had something to do with it…i mean come on he finds her at 2:30 or so when he comes home from school…school in madera doesnt get out until like 3:15 or something….then if you look on kristas myspace page the one that says i miss my twin…there is a message to her bf that says she cant wait to see him and she loves it was sent sometime in december…wasn’t she with Thomas in december???Maybe he found out about her planning to go back with this guy and he and brittany set this dustin kid up to kill her….not saying its true its just a theory..but i do believe thomas hollier has been way to calm…i mean if i found someone i loved dead the last thing i would think about doing is going on my myspace…and one more thing before they stripped dustins myspace i got a view of his friends list….and thomas hollier was his #4 person…that seemed a little weird to me…i think the police should also look more into hollier and maybe check his cell phone records at the time….and maybe there was no forced entry into the house because maybe dustin had a key or someone left it unlocked someone like hmmmm thomas hollier….he was very demonic as well and seemed to thrill the darkside…something just dont seem right…

• Susan
  Jan 25, 2008 at 4:49 am

  I know that i had already left my opinion and how i feel about different things that just don’t seem quite right about Thomas Hollier. But i couldn’t read Crystal’s comment and just not say OH MY GOD. U are absolutely right on. My husband and i discuss this case on a regular basis…i think, because it is just so bizarre and so sad and we just feel as though there is some involvement that has yet to be looked into. Crystal, every single thing that you touched on, my husband and i have, to say the least, overtalked…but the thing that we didn’t think about was the key or the door being unlocked. It just didnt make sense to us that Krista would just like open the door to Dustin and invite him in. Dustin wasn’t on Krista’s friends list anywhere on either page. Ok, they may very well have started to develop a friendship, but how close could they have gotten in a month. I just put myself in that situation, and yes, i am 37 years old, but i still don’t know that i would feel comfortable opening the door to #1 a man that is not my husband or boyfriend and #2 a man that is dating my boyfriends ex-girlfriend and say, “Oh, come on in and play video games.” From the very beginning it was said that Navarra was threatening Krista and had a great deal of hostility toward her. Give me a break, before they stripped Navarra’s page, we were able to access it, and, my God, it was scary and she was very clear that she was fatally obsessed with Hollier so why is it now being said that they were doubledating and the four of them were friendly. But, then again, who came up with that….hmmm….HOLLIER. And u mention Dustin being on Hollier’s friends list. Dustin also left a friendly picture comment under one of Hollier’s pictures. It was evident that Gran and Hollier were friends. And Navarra left a comment under one of Hollier’s pictures about loving him and that he needs to be sure that he does not want to be with her…something to that effect….that was on December 31, 2007….just 2 weeks before Krista was MUTILATED. We could go on and on about all of the what seems to us to be obvious unanswered concerns. COME ON, i just don’t understand why the MADERA POLICE DEPT have yet to look into any of this. But then again, and that’s another thing, Hollier, who over and over again thanks the Madera PD for their “fine” job (because they have yet to name him)for quickly solving this case and finding the people that did this to his “soulmate” (but as my husband points out Hollier proclaims to be an atheist and wants to meet the devil. And last time we checked, atheist dont believe that you have a soul. IDK another inconsistency with Hollier) Anyway, hmmmm, maybe its just me, but i seriously doubt that God will allow Hollier’s demonic soul to be with Krista’s in Heaven, where, without a doubt, Krista is.

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 25, 2008 at 4:54 am

  According to Thomas Krista is not in heaven. She is no where.

• crystal
  Jan 25, 2008 at 8:10 pm

  susan,

  I have also recently been talking to my husband about this case…and he feels there is something not making sense as well…I was a student at madera highschool back in 1999 and i snuck off campus at lunch all the time and i didnt get the principals permission…the cops keep saying oh brittany was in school…bullshit she could of easily got picked up gone to kill krista with whoever was involved and got back to school before lunch was over..not saying she did..but they are making it seem like it was impossible for her to be there…I just really hope the police get a clue and start really working on this case..and if hollier was involved brittany is so in love with him that i doubt she will rat him out for now anyways…i dont know i just want everyone who was involved to pay for what they did to this girl and i think the police are just to focused on the 2 there are more then these 2 involved…

• Jen
  Jan 25, 2008 at 11:59 pm

  As Krista’s cousin, I can say, you guys don’t know shit. Please stop talking about her like she was nobody. For those of us that did know her she was an angel.

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 26, 2008 at 2:20 am

  Oh Jen shut up. Krista was a dumb ass who quit school to be with her man. She was bound and determind to be as stupid as everyone else in that backwords ass redneck family. It is amazing she wasn’t already pregnate.

• Mary
  Jan 26, 2008 at 2:53 am

  Jen….oh my God, calm down. I don’t think anybody has said anything about your cousin, Krista, as though she was a nobody. Where do you get that???? Your comment is completely unwarranted…this is a tradegy which is unexplainable, and every one of us have a right to discuss what happened as we know it and try and make some sense of it somehow.

  Now i say this to you, Jen, with the obvious exception of Simon Johnson, who is, for lack of a better word, atrocious, inconsiderate, and stupid for the comments that he writes. But even he is entitled to his opinions as we all are. But, Simon, next time you leave a comment, grab a dictionary, because even my six year old spells better than you do (hint, hint….DETERMINED, BACKWARDS and, hmmm, PREGNANT) and you make it really really hard to even take you seriously…correction, you have made it impossible to take you seriously so quit taking up space on what is supposed to be an informative site….

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 26, 2008 at 3:44 am

  Big deal I made some spelling errors. At least I am still in high school and I didn’t quit as soon as I turned 18 so I could marry some backwards ass, white trash.

• Jen
  Jan 26, 2008 at 4:00 am

  I have no problem with people discussing the case, it is interesting. My comment was strictly towards Simon. Who sounds like an absolute idiot with his own obnoxious opinions. If your mother taught you anything it should have been “if you have nothing nice to say, then don’t say anything at all.” The people who are discussing the case on this site have some very good points about a few things.

  To let you guys in on some of the key points:

  Thomas was found with Krista on the floor when the detectives arrived. He had called the police and not knowing what to do he laid down next to her.

  Krista had been trying to make friends with Navarra, despite the fact that Navarra made it clear she did not want that.

  The four of them had hung out together the night before and tried to amend things.

  That is when Gran had left something behind so that he had an excuse to go back the next day.

  She had wrote on the mirror before getting ready for the day that he was coming over to retrieve the item.

  He showed up and she let him in. That is how Gran got in the house.

  For those of you that don’t live in cental valley this has been all over the news. This information has been said and repeated.

• crystal
  Jan 26, 2008 at 4:32 am

  Thanks jen for letting us know that information…I am sorry for the loss of you cousin and im sure she was a very great sweet person..this murder has alot of people just searching for answers and its very scary for alot of people…Now that you have shed light on some of the theories we have all had now we can make a little more sense of it all…No matter what happened one thing is that this should of never happened to KRISTA or ANYONE..so my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family..stay strong sweetie..

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 26, 2008 at 10:45 am

  Hey Jen if you think you know so much about it all. How was she killed? I hered she was gutted and her head cut off. I hered the dude killed her abnd then had sex with her. If you are such an expert in all this, how was she killed.

• Laurie
  Jan 26, 2008 at 1:05 pm

  It always amazes me that people talk about these types of crimes as if they are new.

  This is nothing new. Man’s inhumanity to man, has been happening since man has been on earth. We as a society have made tremendous progress in so many areas, except the way we treat each other.

  Maybe that should be our focus for this new century? We are not the civilized society we like to think we are.

  I am so sorry for the family’s loss, and no matter who or what she was, and no matter what she planned for her future, she was still human, had feelings, and bled like the rest of us would if we were bludgeoned to death. No one deserves to be treated this way. She was someone’s daughter.

  I have to believe that the perpetrators of this crime will get theirs - if not on this earth and in this time, then in another place at another time. Hopefully, they will be locked up for many years to come, where they can only harm others that have committed similar crimes.

• Jen
  Jan 26, 2008 at 1:43 pm

  She died from blunt frorce trauma to the head. The blunt force would be the 5 lb metal hand weight, they found with Gran’a finger prints on it.

• kr
  Jan 26, 2008 at 11:33 pm

  FUCK DUSTIN AND BRITTANY!! THOSE 2 PUNK ASS BITCHES NEED TO GET THE DEATH PENALTY!!

• Barbara
  Jan 27, 2008 at 5:15 am

  What happened to Krista is a terrible tragedy. If the blond was so angry the she got dumped why not take it out on the person who dumped her. Why go after Krista! My heart goes out to Krista’s family and friends. Krista was a beautiful person inside and out. Her loss will be felt for a lifetime.

  Simon..who ever you are..you need to go get some serious help. You are a bitter disgusting person. You have probably never been to that town yet you think you know all about it. You are still in high school…grow up. This may be a place to discuss and share opinions but it is also a place of compassion. If your mother or sister was murdered like Krista was would you like people to talk about them like you are talking about Krista? Maybe your mother should read your comments. She would probably seek help for you or slap you senseless. It’s a good thing you aren’t my kid. Show some respect for the dead. You are really sickening. I hope nothing like this ever happens in your family you snot nosed brat.

• Mary
  Jan 27, 2008 at 3:30 pm

  Amen!!!!! Barbara, you speak for us all….

  and just one more thing Simon, when you go and grab that dictionary, look up the word “karma.” You can run and you can hide, but it will still find you and God help you when it does.

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• dustin
  Jan 29, 2008 at 9:25 pm

  She did not deserve that she was a GREAT person! all she did was love, i dated her a while back. no one deserves that.

• Simon Johnson
  Jan 30, 2008 at 6:08 pm

  Thomas Hollier is a rapist. He belongs in prison. If this adult would have kept is precker in his pants and not violated this little girl, Krista would still be alive.

• Kym
  Jan 30, 2008 at 6:38 pm

  Hey Simon I really think that you should shut your mouth cause your really starting to piss people off and i really dont think you have any room to tell my sister in law to shut up who are you??? oh wiat you are nobody so i think you should shut the fuck up! Because i dont think that you would really appriciate somebody talking about your family like the way you are talking about our family! And if you have anything to say to me then say it!

• Barbara
  Jan 31, 2008 at 5:39 am

  Simon, I’m getting the idea that you are a friend of the killers. Or do you just have a big mouth. This murder doesn’t have anything to do with Krista’s boyfriend except for the fact that he had the nerve to dump the blonde. You might not approve of a 16 yr old and a 19 yr old being together but I haven’t read that Krista’s parents were against them being together. A three year age difference is pretty usual in this day and age.

  The bottom line is that this was a senseless murder. There is something wrong with a guy that allows a girl to talk him into murdering someone and there is something wrong with a girl that would go so far as to set up a murder just because she got dumped. Where did it get these two…prison. Was that the end goal? Or did they even think of the consequences? Three families have been damaged beyond repair. One girl is dead and another girl and boy have given up their lives. There is only one question that I would like to ask those killers….”Was It Worth It?”

• The Truth is Out There
  Jan 31, 2008 at 12:44 pm

  Simon Johnson is a local drug dealer and part of that group doing the MURDERA T-Shirts and Stickers around town. I am sure they will do a new shirt about this murder. Pay him no mind, no one else does.

  This crime is horrible and you are right it has affected three families beyond repair. The Holliers will always remember Krista but they will move on from this tragidy with only a few scars.

  The Pike’s, Gran’s and Navarra families have all lost children that they will never get back and why? First of all why would this sixteen year old ask for it to be done then brag about it? Second why would this nineteen year old do it and leave so much evidence pointing back to him?

  The evidence listed in the Tribune that made no sense was the condom. Why would he wear a condom to have sex with a dead girl then leaves the condom with DNA evidence at the scene?

  Why would he take photos and text message the other girl when he should have known the computers for the phone company would keep records of everything.

  Even a casual watcher of the CSI shows know nothing is untracable. There are so many wholes in common sense through-out this case. Nothing makes sense.

  If it is true they planned this for weeks, they didn’t plan it very well.

• Alexandria
  Feb 1, 2008 at 2:19 pm

  Okay, So…Krista was my older sister. She was PROBABLY the most caring person in the entire world..She loved everyone and i believe that if these people werent such PSYCHOTIC freaks of nature, she would be alive today. All she did was LOVE thomas and what’d she get in return? Her LIFE WAS TAKEN FROM HER! We have lost the most important thing to us. She was our ANGEL. She ment the world to each of us. Krista-Rae June Pike was the LAST person on this earth who could have possibly deserved this. If Brittany and Dustin get anything less than LIFE IN PRISON, they’ll be sitting at home afraid for there life. Not from me, but from the State of California. Everyone LOVED krista. She was n amazing person and We love her still. She could have lived a fulfilling life and been happy forever but some stupid little girl took it all away. Krista lost her virginity to Thomas when they were dating for over 1yr and 8mnts. When they broke up and her bestfriend moved in on him, the last thing krista thought of was KILLING her! Having ur virginity taken from you and having them move on is NOT reason for you to take a life. I dont even know what to say. I miss my sister SO much, its damn near unbearable. Everyday i look at her picture and it all seems unreal. I dont think i have ONE picture of her NOT smiling. And as for this SIMON person, MY SISTER WAS TAKEN OUT OF HIGHSCHOOL! SHE LEFT WHEN SHE HAD THE CHANCE BECAUSE SHE LOVED THOMAS. SHE WAS NOT A DUMBASS SHE WAS AN INTELLIGENT CREATIVE PERSON AND DONT TALK TO MY COUSIN LIKE SHE’S STUPID! I LOVE MY FAMILY AND I WOULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING FOR KRISTA. SHE SHOULD NOT HAVE DIED! Thomas was NOT a rapist neither. Brittany WANTED to have sex with him. She’s a little dumb hoe and she deserves to rot in hell. If they recieve the death penalty i will be nothing less than pissed. They deserve to be tortured. I cant think of anything else to say right now but SIMON, you need to not “start shyt” over the COMPUTER! you’re probably some lonely faggot who needs some attention. GET OVER YOURSELF! **peace**

• Alexandria Pike and Trever Lund
  Feb 1, 2008 at 2:45 pm

  okay, Crystal and Simon…LISTEN HERE! I will tell all. Krista was 18 on October 3rd of 2007. She had started talking to thomas again later in the year. She has been in love with this boy since they were FRESHMEN. When we moved in September of 2005, soon after, they broke up. Thomas was HEARTBROKEN for 2 years!!! As was Krista. We moved again, this time, 3 hours NORTH. they had lost all communication and so they moved on, as any NORMAL person would. Krista was taken out of highschool in November. Before she had known she could leave. My father went away to Madera for BUSINESS and krista was 18, so she decided to see what the world was like on her own, in the area she LOVED. Thomas had already dumped Brittany Navarra prior to Krista’s arrival. Knowing the love of his life was so close and still having the feeling s they did…the only thing left to do is profess your love and re-kindle what there once was. They were engaged way way back, and Thomas was going into the navy, so they got re-engaged and planned for marriage before his departure. Knowing this, Brittany was jealous and decided to get the most immature, immoral, STUPID revenge. Krista was hit in the back of her neck with a 5lb dumbell and that is what killed her. her cerebralspinal cord was severed, instantly killing her. she had skull fractures and small cuts to the flesh. Thomas loved krista TOO MUCH to have hurt her in such a way. WE know the whole story, you need to learn to keep your trap shut before you speak. —-LOVE ALI-GATOR

• Krista's Pain
  Feb 1, 2008 at 2:51 pm

  Why would a family who loves someone throw them out of their house and tell them they could live with out them? Just because a mother has a problem with a husband is no reason to tell your daughter you can live without her too.

  You never know when that person will be taken from you forever. Then you will have to live without them. This should be a lesson for everyone to realize the last words you say to someone might be the last words you say to them for all times.

  I know if I would have told someone I really loved I could live without them and they were killed, I don’t think I could live with myself.

• Laurie
  Feb 1, 2008 at 7:28 pm

  I can feel your pain so much. My heart goes out to you. There is so much grief and pain out there.

  I am in Albany New York . There was a totally senseless triple homicide this week. Three young adults, one 16, one 25 and the other 26, were all murdered by an acquaintance that was drinking with them. The 16 was not drinking, he was playing video games, and was staying there temporarily because his mom had kicked him out, you know, a stupid fight that parents have.

  The murderer had been taken in by one of he guys when he needed help. This is how that favor was returned.

  The gun was bought on the street. A nod to irresponsible gun owners or dealers.

  You will get through this. I imagine you will never forget, how can you? Your lives are forever changed. Thankfully, you had Krista in your lives for the time you did. Our loved ones always leave us before we are ready.

  The murderers MUST get the death penalty. Supporting their care in a Prison is totally unjust. These two absolutely have major issues. It is to bad they met each other.

• crystal
  Feb 2, 2008 at 12:10 am

  ALEXANDRIA….I was not trying to say hurtful things or upset you in anyway..i was simply just saying some possibilities and things that did not make sense to me…there was no need for you to address me..In cases like these you need to think of all the possibilities…Im not saying thomas would hurt krista im just saying maybe the police should look a little more into him is all..you need to calm down a little im sure this is a very hard time for you and your family..but you cant get all mad when people just make simple suggestions of what could of happened..Im sorry if you feel i have disrespected you in anyway and the last thing i want is for anyone to address me next to that DOUCHE BAG SIMON..Im very sorry for your loss of Krista she really was a beautiful girl….

• Alexandria
  Feb 2, 2008 at 7:40 pm

  hey “krista’s pain”…What do you know about my sister that i dont know huh? I was there when everything went awry. YOU wernt! my sister was NEVER told to leave, she WANTED to go. To see what life was like in the world. She didnt have to go to school anymore. My mom is probably the most CARING mom in the world. She probably cares about her kids more than your mom cares about you. She’s an amazing person. Dont talk about her that way. this is about thomas, brittany, dustin, and krista…not my mom.

• Krista's Pain
  Feb 3, 2008 at 6:42 am

  I never said she was told to leave. I said she was told she could be lived without. Something you didn’t deny and something you know was said by more than just your mother.

  I know that if I was a parent I would want my kids to at least complete high school before they ran off to see what life is like in the big world of Madera.

  I am not talking bad about your mother, but I am sure she has relived everything she said. I am sure she regets letting her go. I know I would if I was in her place.

  No this case is not just about Krista, Thomas, Britney or Dustin. There are other things that led us to this tragidy as I am sure your mother will agree.

• Laurie
  Feb 3, 2008 at 10:47 am

  Krista’s Pain - why would you bring up this garbage at this time? Only to spread more pain? Karma catches up with us in ways we can never imagine. Hopefully, sometime in the future when you are in great pain due to a loss, you will not suffer from people writing such trash.

  There is nothing to be gained from discussing what happened in the past between Krista and her Mom. Regrets are always there when someone dies, even if it is natural causes. Regrets can seem immeasurable under these circumstances. Why not be supportive instead of adding to the anguish? Everyone makes mistakes, and if Krista’s mom did let her daughter go, I am sure she thought it was best. I am sure it seemed like it was a good reason at that time. We can never know in advance what will happen to our loved ones. If her Mom knew what was going to happen, I am sure she would have done something differently. Even if she did do something different, we cannot know what the result would have been.

  We cannot live our lives on what we think might happen. If we did that, we would never leave our house, never branch out, never try anything new.

  You are correct in that we need to treasure every moment our loved ones are alive.

  Under these circumstances, we do not need people reminding us of the mistakes we made. I am sure there are plenty of good memories.

  If Krista was still here, I am sure she would tell you these things as well. “If Only” follows everyone around when someone passes no matter what the reason. It is totally insensitive of you to keep reminding relatives of the bad.

• Step back
  Feb 3, 2008 at 5:01 pm

  Everyone needs to realize this is a national blog about issues related to crimes that happen on or with a My Space account. No one is trying to offend the family about anything but we are discussing aspects of this case. Every aspect of this case is open for discussion.

  If the family doesn’t like what is written go to another website. Don’t read it. But from what I saw on the news and in the newspapers the family just can’t help themselves. They are drawn to the television lights like a moth to the flame.

  Yes I feel for the family but I want to be able to discuss the issues of this case freely without some family member crying “You just don’t understand”.

  This kid is going to jail for the rest of his life. This bimbo is probably getting 20 years to life. But there are other factors that put Krista’s life in danger.

  A boyfriend that was screwing around with a kid that didn’t know how to accept rejection. What did Thomas do to Britney? Revenge doesn’t make the killing right, but Thomas needs to accpet his part of the responsibilty.

  A mother who turns her back on a girl and says she can live without her, forcing her to move in with her boyfriend and his father. Yes I am sure she is filled with regret, but it is a factor that contributed to her murder.

  Thomas’s father. Couldn’t he see the evil in these two people? Did he know what was going on in his own house? He was there to take care of this young girl. He reported the threats after the fact. Why didn’t he do something before it was to late?

  The families of Britney and Dustin. Couldn’t they see where these two were headed. Anyone that looked at their My Space pages knew there was something wrong.

  And again, anyone that saw their My Space profiles. Come on that was some sick shit. These two, Thomas and many of their shared friends have fasinations with death and murder. What the hell is up with that?

  Yes she is your sister or your friend, but here in this forum we have every right to discuss her. We have every right to talk about this crime. I want to make sure that folks don’t forget about all of the people that contributed to this horrible tragity.

  Step back.

• Alexandria
  Feb 3, 2008 at 5:30 pm

  I understand that you have EVERY right to talk about her. I couldnt care less because ur opinions dont matter to me but i just wanted to say…WHO TOLD YOU WE COULD LIVE WITHOUT HER?!?!? obviously if we did, we were wrong…its been the most horrendous crazy time ever. i love my sister so freaking much. hey, i wonder what happened to Simon!!!???

• crystal
  Feb 3, 2008 at 11:11 pm

  Haha Simon probably got arrested for dealing drugs or something…frickin loser…its a much better page without his stupid,unsensitive remarks…..hopefully someone like stold his dog or something and his in his room crying about it maybe he will post a blog and then we can all write to it and say rude shit to him….douche bag….Anyways Alexandria I am really sorry that it has been so hard for you but as time goes on you will feel a little better each day…krista will never be forgotten but she will help you forgive and live your life..keep your head up honey…and stay strong and live your life to the fullest like im sure your sister would want you to….

• Dan
  Feb 4, 2008 at 11:34 am

  I often wonder why people in general seem to either bury their heads or engage in full blown drama. very little productive territory between looking the other way and drama.

  A kid I know just called me, got bitten by a dog who jumped its fence. She didn’t know what to do, didn’t want to be dramatic. Kids have very little sense of how to act. Adults too. Safer not to act. Think of all the people who come forward when a parent kills a child to say they saw indicators of violence. And think of the rampage killers, the people who weren’t surprised.

  Part of it has to do with our idea of freedom and rights. These two killers were entitled to put almost anything they chose on their web pages. We defend that freedom. What we need is a social mechanism that is not necessarily legal and punishment oriented. If we turn in a parent for bruises on their child, we might be responsible for an innocent person going to jail and losing his or her child. And those rampage killers, who would we speak to about our fears about their obsession with weapons and killing?

  How and to whom do we report the red flag behavior of an innocent teen? The way our system is now, we have to wait till people commit a crime till we can deal with them.

• Stephanie Pike
  Feb 4, 2008 at 4:59 pm

  Simon Johnson

  I am a part of that redneck ass family as you say…. you don’t know what our family has been through and you can’t claim to call MY family that when you don’t know anyone. If you would like to say that about my family, at least get to know us and know that everyone has struggles, if you are so perfect, why have you not been translated to heaven to live with GOD?

• floydy
  Feb 12, 2008 at 5:04 pm

  why would we make a shirt about some squares killing eachother?

• SdotJohnson-FuckJackPorter
  Feb 12, 2008 at 5:53 pm

  madera news, you that fat sack of shit jack porter?
  somebody falsifying my name in here. i didnt give a fuck about none of those sad ass people and i support statchatory rape. but if this fake simon shit keep up there gonna be another MUR-DERA massacre. so whoever the fuck you are keep my name out your “home-row” or I’m gonna kill your family

  -SIME
  FdotSnitches

• Alexandria
  Feb 12, 2008 at 7:41 pm

  wow. you think you’re cool? you really shouldnt talk like that on here especially about killing more people. there are plenty of people who can track u down in an instant. u better not talk that. ESPECIALLY ON HERE!!!

• floydy
  Feb 12, 2008 at 7:51 pm

  Im-dot-postors.

• SdotJohnson-FuckJackPorter
  Feb 12, 2008 at 8:31 pm

  bitch i didnt threaten nobody. cause i dont know who’s pretending to be me. if i knew who it was there would already be a new topic started. about somebodys family tragicly being ctrl+alt+deleted.

  i had to call in sick to baltimore air coil today cause i heard somebody trying to use my name to talk about squares who are no longer with us

  -SIME

• Dan
  Feb 12, 2008 at 8:56 pm

  I believe threatening to kill someone’s family is a crime.

• SdotJohnson-FuckJackPorter
  Feb 12, 2008 at 9:27 pm

  cool scott i hope your eagle scout leader agrees too.

  -SIME

• floydy
  Feb 18, 2008 at 2:16 am

  im not gonna stand by idlely and let Murdera destroy the moral fabric of this town with its catchy slogans what happened to the pride and joy i felt when i was a young adult in high school and madera was breaking records nationally with its unprecedented number of unwed teen pregnancies. Some might respond well kids have just grown smarter and are using protection, fuck that these shirts are responsible for Madera taking its eye of the prize.

• Rose
  Feb 19, 2008 at 8:10 pm

  The TRUE definition of rape is having one person have sexual intercourse without the other partner’s consent. She gave him the authority to so therefore is not rape. She and Gran were psychotic from the start and will be for the end of their lives. They’re psychotic and on top of that they’re stupid and Gran was obviously easily manipulated. I was Krista-Rae’s best friend, we were like sisters, and as far as I’m concerned, she is in a better place now so I’ll appreciate it if you could keep your rude comments to yourself. Technically, in all 50 states you can go to court for ruining a person’s reputation, so YOU DO THE MATH
  -Rose M.S.

• Rose
  Feb 19, 2008 at 8:26 pm

  What is Dustin’s myspace i want to see this fucker’s page

• Prune the Roses
  Feb 19, 2008 at 8:44 pm

  Rose you can not ruin the reputation of someone who is dead. So go be a school yard attorney somewhere else.

• Rose
  Feb 19, 2008 at 10:35 pm

  lol technically speaking yeah you can..im taking a government political system course and i actually do my research with a lawyer(friend patrik’s dad) so you need to fuck off and take your head out of your ass

• crystal
  Feb 20, 2008 at 2:31 am

  ROSE…unfortunately they have stripped both dustin and brittanys myspace…u can still see a cached version of brittanys but i have not seen one for dustins yet…Im sorry about the loss of your close friend….try not to get to offended by the rude comments of people on here…they are just using there right of freedom of speech…but some of them dont have enough common sense as to an opinion and rudeness….but someday they will lose someone close to them and then maybe they will know what its like and feel bad for the things they are saying about krista….The poor girl has been through enough stop slandering her name and have some respect for the dead…talk about the assholes that took her precious life away the ones that still get to breath and eat everyday…..they may be locked up but they still have there lives…..krista no longer has hers….

• Kayla
  Feb 29, 2008 at 6:56 pm

  My sister was one of krista’s best friends. i had only met krista once at a birthday party and she seemed like one of the girls who would win miss congeniality in high school. I was profoundly affected by her death. Not because i knew her well or because i knew what a wonderful person she was but, because she was killed my sister will never be the same. It has changed her. No one should ever have to go through losing their best friend in this way. All of you can say whatever you want about her or brittany , or gran or thomas. but you didnt know her and you dont know them. you have no idea what was going on in brittany’s mind. obviously nothing short of revenge, hate, and brutality. My own personal opinion is that gran was probably one of those kids who had never gotten any real attention from a girl and he was probably in a very obsessive relationship with brittany. Thomas MAY have made some mistakes by having a relationship with brittany because she obviously has some obsessive traits to her as well. Most teens, myself included go through a period of depression and hate for a person who has pushed us aside or rejected us for another, but normal people GET OVER IT! There is always pain there but you dont send somebody over to the persons house to beat them to death and then take photos of it like its some kind of accomplishment. I think brittany told gran to kill her not because she wanted krista dead but because she wanted thomas to suffer and trust me hes doing nothing less than that. Everybody who ever met krista is doing nothing but suffering for her. My sister was practically catatonic when she found out what had happened. She thought it was a cruel joke. Because who would do something like that? Something you assholes probably didnt know was that before gran came over and committed his slaughter krista made pancakes and texted my sister about how she was going to go down and get her test book so she could get her GED. She was really happy because she was planning her wedding and starting a life of her own. Her first chance to branch out and be her own person. She hadnt even gotten started. Even if Brittany and Gran dont get the death penalty or she doesnt (god forbid) get life in prison you think about everybody in prison who will make them remember what they did. Im sure there’s no way to get justice for krista or for the pain those two idiots have put everybody through. But im sure the inmates in whatever prison they get sent to will try. Thats what im relying on. Because if they get death they’re getting the easy way out and if they get life it seems like its just not enough. So i hope the rest of their lives is a living hell and they have to think about what they did to her every single day. Because people like Alex and and the rest of the Pike family and everyone who was her friend will be in a living hell as well because they have do do everything without her and keep in the back of their minds the reason why. So if you want to sit and try to justify what those kids did and try to put the blame on others. Thats fine but in the end your going to keep coming back to the fact that THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY DID. IT WAS A CHOICE AND IT WAS THEIR CHOICE NO ONE MADE THEM MAKE IT. NOW THEY’RE GOING TO PAY.

• SIME
  Feb 29, 2008 at 7:07 pm

  why come my imposter got ghost???

• Barbara
  Feb 29, 2008 at 8:05 pm

  Kayla,

  I’m sorry for everyone that is going through this horrible loss. I think that you are so right about the boy that murdered Krista. The girl involved is obviously very unstable and vengeful to have even thought of doing such a thing to another person. She used that boy to do her dirty work knowing that he had probably never had a girl pay him any attention before. That doesn’t excuse him though. How someone could commit such a horrible crime is beyond me…and then take pictures to prove that it was done.

  I know what it is to lose a loved one to murder and so I can place myself in the shoes of Krista’s family and also your sister. My youngest daughter was murdered and it is a nightmare that I wouldn’t ever wish on anyone. It is something that a person never gets over. A selfish act committed by another person. Don’t pay any attention to what others say about Krista. Those of you who knew Krista know the person that she was. The people who didn’t know her don’t really matter. Barbara

• floydy
  Mar 1, 2008 at 1:26 pm

  lol:

  http://maderaonline.com/news/news-2.html

• Russ
  Mar 2, 2008 at 7:41 pm

  I am krista little brother.

  i am shocked by what some of the people have to say about my sister on here. its as if nobody has any kind of emotion. how dare u sit there and say that thomas should go to jail. All he ever did was get together with the girl he loved. Its not up to u to say what should happen to him. what if your fiance was murdered and YOU found her in YOUR living room. and then everybody is telling u that ist ur fault????

• Russ
  Mar 6, 2008 at 12:17 am

  another thing is that i would like to know simon johnson’s real name

• floydy
  Mar 6, 2008 at 12:30 am

  no you don’t.

• Jen
  Mar 6, 2008 at 9:15 pm

  Why would he not want to know the real name. Is it someone he knows or are you just trying to make something out of nothing?

• Alexandria Pike
  Mar 7, 2008 at 1:56 am

  I would also like to kno….but i’m never gonna get it.

  its most likely someone who knows brittany navarra. but who cares. his opinions mean nothing.

• SIME
  Mar 7, 2008 at 7:29 pm

  Russ. maybe you didnt read this shit. you dumb son of a bitch.

  my real name is Scott Christ
  mysnake.com/high5imon
  don’t get it fucked up.

  -Simon I dont got duck lips Johnson

• Jen
  Mar 7, 2008 at 7:43 pm

  I think Russel was referring to the imposter. Did you not say someone was posing to be “you.” So maybe you did not read it correctly.

• SIME
  Mar 7, 2008 at 8:52 pm

  my fake me’s name got out lil rusty be the last of they worries.

  -Simon -threatning people’s lives- Johnson

• Trench
  Mar 7, 2008 at 9:09 pm

  Ok, children. You’ve had enough fun for now. This thread is closed.