Kayla Hassel: Mad and sad
‘I Was Mad And I Felt Bad,’ Videotaped Beating Suspect Says:
One of the suspects in the Victoria Lindsay has had her statements to an assistant state attorney released to the press. 15-year-old Kayla Hassel seems to be claiming that she’s a victim.
She talks about how she was mad and felt bad after she saw the video after her release and how she’s had unwanted attention because of it. She also claims that it was never anyone’s intention to post the video to MySpace or YouTube. Right, what else do kids do with videos like this?
Hassel also turns on Brittani Hardcastle by saying it was Hardcastle that was encouraging others to beat Victoria. She also said that she was afraid of getting between the two because of how little she is.
I guess she thinks it’s all about her. Just like the rest of them.
Tags: beating, Brittani Hardcastle, Kayla Hassel, MySpace, Victoria Lindsay
182 opinions for Kayla Hassel: Mad and sad
navigator
Jun 27, 2008 at 9:05 pm
She wasn’t to scared to be all up in Victoria’s face, when Hardcastle was beating her, yelling at her… cussin like a sailor…. oh! she was so scared….LOL!! She is mad that she got caught … the day these little brats where arrested, Kayla and Mercedes where together making up the story they would tell… their statements match almost PERFECT… you know this girl was much more involved then she says she was.
SiCK-oF-THiS-Sad-WOrLD13
Jun 30, 2008 at 10:21 am
Ha! She pinned it on someone else. wasn’t she the one that was doing most of the beating. COME ON! It doesn’t matter if you were scared. If someone is getting injured BADLY, you step up and act like an ADULT! I am 13 and already know better than them. How could someone be SO STUPID into thinking it is the right thing to do? You don’t sit there and think it is okay because “She said something mean on MySpace!” How childish is THAT? These girls think THEY were they victims. I am sure all that was hurt in them was their FISTS. Victoria lost a lot more than them. These are the kind of girls that make me SICK! How does ANYONE think this is okay!? They are going to grow up VERY violent and end up BACK in jail. I think they will never learn anything if they seriously think that NONE of this was their fault but rather, the girl they beat up because she said something they didn’t approve of on myspace! AGH! I just think it is all so sick.
These girls need CONSTANT attention and help. If they don’t learn now, they are going to end up killing someone. And I feel that they need to learn their lesson the HARDEST WAY POSSIBLE! Just not with beating or anything like that!
amyv
Jul 1, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Latest info I think this girl got off of house arrest yesterday. They are not going to learn now. 3 of them charges dropped. two left off of house arrest. Nope didn’t learn. Poor victim. victimized again.
amyv
Jul 1, 2008 at 10:45 pm
navigator hello have seen your blogs on the ledger. I won’t go on there anymore because it became forum for bleeding hearts for the perps and a political bashing. blaming everything of the sheriff. Way to show these girls responsibility. Accusing the sheriff withmaking false statesments even with all the evidence. But, sticking up for the girls who haven’t told the truth from day one. Totally agree Kayla and Mercades got their stories straight to turn on the others. Oh. Oh. I think Brittini Hardcastle might have something to say to the runs who ratted her out. Kind of reminds me of that country song how do you like me know. Should get interesting. Not quit sure yet but do believe it was Kayla Hassel who was left off of house arrest but her attorney doesn’t want that published. Wander why?
navigator
Jul 2, 2008 at 8:56 am
Amyv,
Exactly, these girls, nor their parents, have learned a thing. They will continue to treat others with no respect, have no respect for authority and the parents will continue to teach this lack of respect to their kids. None of them should be off of house arrest… what makes me so mad is that Hardcastle was just let off house arrest, and she is the one who beat Tori the most in the video, she is smiling while putting on her lipgloss in court after they let her off of house arrest… shows me she has not learned a thing except how to get out of taking responsiblity for your actions. Kayla Hassel will learn the same and so on… these girls will do it again, except next time, like Cara Murphy says, the only thing she has learned is to not video tape something because you can get in big trouble…
WOW!! What a great lesson to learn…. (sarcasim)… they learned to do things differently next time, to not get caught ..and that, to me, is the sign of some really bad criminals who need EXTENSIVE rehabilitation.
Yeah, it figuers that if Kayla gets off house arrest that the attorney will protect her… it’s all about protecting the CRIMINAL today, and punishing the victim… makes me sick!
amyv
Jul 2, 2008 at 11:41 am
I have a daughter her age. It just breaks my heart to see what some of these girls have turned into in our society. I have been preaching to her and all of her friends about how horrible this was and they all say “Oh they won’t get in trouble”. Now what do I tell them. Yea your right adults will not punish them for this behavior. My mom loved me dearly but, she would have taken me into the police station herself if I would have done something like this. She would have stood beside me, as any parent would do, but she would not have defended by actions. These girls are so ruthless. I would not let them within 10,000 feet of my daughter. Anyone who would hire them for a job is crazy. As, for they want off of house arrest to go to church… Don’t even know what to say about that one. They knew that would just get the judges sympathy. If I would have been the judge I would have said O.k. one hour off of house arrest to go to church and that is it. That would have stopped them from using that excuse. Also, I noticed something new on the video. When the lights are off in the living room, look real hard and you can see Brittini Hardcastle go to the front door and lock it as Tori is saying she justs wants to leave. SICK. Hats off to you 13. Sounds like you are on the right track. Be proud of yourself for know this is terrible behavior, even when adults dont’t.
LawAndOrder
Jul 2, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Looks like Kayla is back on MySpace… Friend ID 393441760 / username kayla_marie1013
mark
Jul 2, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I thought they weren’t allowed to use things like myspace and youtube etc…
LawAndOrder
Jul 2, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Ok. An update on Kayla. Apparently her pre-trial restrictions were removed. In other words, she is allowed to use MySpace again.
amyv
Jul 2, 2008 at 10:16 pm
I though she was just release from house arrest. Does she still not have a curfew? No myspace? What about not being able to talk to the other defendants? What not be able to talk to the poor victim. Is this so she can turn states evidence. How many of them do they need? She did hit this girl, screamed in her face and was up to her eyeballs in all of it. I don’t get it. Looks like they are all going to get off.
Navigator
Jul 2, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I have not seen anything about Kayla getting off of house arrest or any restrictions lifted for her… Brittni Hardcastle has been let off of house arrest… Where did you see this?
LawAndOrder
Jul 2, 2008 at 10:36 pm
06/30/2008 PARTIES-JOINT STIPULATION TO AMEND PTR COND
That showed up on her court record.
That basically means the prosecution and Kayla’s lawyer came to an agreement to “amend” PTR. I guess she got this as a reward for giving a deposition on June 11.
The registration date on that MySpace account is July 1, just one day after her PTR was “amended.”
I have no idea why no news outlet has yet reported on what exactly was done to her PTR.
john
Jul 2, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I said this on the last page, but since everyone seems to have moved over to this one:
Look at the last couple minutes of this: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=y8_gZZZHUAg. I thought this clip was released with Tori’s face blocked out? How did this guy get a version without it? I have to say, it makes it even worse now that you can see how surprised, frightened, hurt, and upset Tori is through her ordeal.
To SiCK-oF-THiS-Sad-WOrLD13, look up the word “weltschmerz.” Does it describe your outlook?
amyv
Jul 2, 2008 at 11:04 pm
Can one of you guys please help me. I am not very computer savy on getting onto someones myspace. Can you please walk me through it step by step.Thank you. Ha 13 when you look up that word please let me know what it means. Ha. Ha. My contacts are bothering me.
amyv
Jul 2, 2008 at 11:08 pm
oh, also John unfortunately their are quit a few tapes on the computer now with the victims face unblocked. It is much more sickening. poor girl. I am surprised you found one on youtube they have been pretty good about keeping it off.
amyv
Jul 3, 2008 at 12:01 am
I did find the myspace. Can’t really tell if that is her. According to a source Kayla Hassell had all pretrial conditions lifted. Get ready for this one next up before the judge April Cooper up next. Got a fancy lawyer will go before judge. UNBELIEVEABLE.
john
Jul 4, 2008 at 12:19 am
amyv- That one on youtube was the first I ever saw unblocked. Where did you see others? I know the second tape was released without the block, but the first one always had a block.
About that word, I was just commenting on that guys name- weltschmerz is an overall sadness about the state of this world.
amyv
Jul 4, 2008 at 1:52 am
john - I apologize it was the second tape I was referring to. Get a little tired this late at night. This is sickening. But, the way its going I am not sure any of this girls are going to be punished for this. For anyone who feels sorry that they are scared the public is mad at them, no punishment will only make that worse.
amyv
Jul 4, 2008 at 2:10 am
Looked it up on youtube. Not there anymore. Someone must have flaged it. Thank god. Since youtube said they would not carry it.
D Weaver
Jul 4, 2008 at 4:40 am
Have seen videos on Headline News and Fox News with her face no longer blacked out. And ~ gotta love our “justice” system ~ doesnt look like the girls that did the crime will face much punishment at all.
amyv
Jul 4, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Yes I agree. I don’ think they are going to get the punishment they deserve. Judge Spoto keeps letting them all off. But maybe that old saying what goes around comes around will apply. Can’t imagine anyone trusting any of these girls again. obviously, since alot of them turned on each other they won’t be friends anymore. And they wonder why criminals are often repeat offenders. They know our justice system is a joke. I hope the vitim may be able to get civil justice.
amyv
Jul 6, 2008 at 5:02 am
Oh my god. I just saw some of the video without her face blocked out. I can not believe it. Ten years in jail for everyone of these fat bullies. Especially, Brittini Hardcastle. How could they all sit their and beat on this girl like that. Even if you were one of the ones that didn’t hit her. It is totally sickening. Not one of them is sorry. This girl is mad because they are getting threats. Good, I hope they are all scared. Just like this poor girl must have been scared for her life. When is the trial so that judge can not let anymore of them off with no punishment? This is ridiculous. Please don’t think I mean death threats are o.k. Let them know how it feels to be scared. thats o.k. with me. Since a lot of them turned on each other, it will be interesting to see what happens if they acccidentally bump into each other somewhere. I mean poor “little” Kayla said she was scared of Brittini Hardcastle, of course that was a big fat lie. But, now she probably should be. Oh well. Your lies will come back to haunt you sometimes. I hope this is going to be a jury trial. Because I can’t imagine anyone, besides the judge, watching the whole video and not giving these girls the hard time they deserve.
M. Hutchence
Jul 7, 2008 at 12:21 pm
unbelievable… from other sources i’m reading, yes it looks like they will all walk . At first i felt that as long as the justice system would work, ie) see to it that none of these girls would avoid serious time and probation, that the public should leave them alone. But seeing that they all just get a slap on wrist maybe they should have a good dose of karma heading their way. This judge needs to be demoted to shit scooper at the local zoo.
Electronica
Jul 7, 2008 at 4:24 pm
mr. hutch the girls who hit tori on the video will not walk! thats silly!! i didnt here that anywhere.
and what do you mean public should not leave them alone? and karma?? you seem so angry
M. Hutchence
Jul 7, 2008 at 4:47 pm
E, It doesn’t seem any of these girls feels at all like they did anything wrong. It’s all over the place that even the hardest perpetrators involved here are getting all kinds of eased restrictions and breaks.
to me any ways. Yes - I am angry I still don’t want to see any of them hurt or killed mind you, but definitely a good dose of Karma if it will help them become better humans in the long run.
M. Hutchence
Jul 7, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Hey- if they walk un punished, what do you suggest? we throw them an F’n party?
I clearly stated here many times i do not go for the eye for an eye deal, more directly i do not condone that we, beat them to where they lose some vision and hearing, NO!
Karma?? DEFINITELY!!- that could mean a spiritual awakening, brain cancer, death of a loved one, something, or ANYTHING to make them appreciate life- perhaps, rather than continue with plotting to outnumber, ambush and beat the shit out of people who can’t defend themselves.
Upon reading all the stuff going on lately, it seems that STILL NONE of them seem to have an ounce of remorse or understand what they did, and that is REALLY un nerving to me.
Some of the kids i have worked with have intentionally killed other kids- shot them or stabbed them on a dare. and believe me, this is how it starts. Does it always go this far ? NO.
No- It’s like saying smoking pot can lead to heroin. Not always but enough times it can.
In the cases where it does, you can predict and watch it escalate and then someone really gets hurt, maimed or killed and its time for our society to take this shit seriously.
Hear me, some of the gang youth i work with? In short time they express tons more remorse for the things they have done than any of these … girls have.
Electronica
Jul 7, 2008 at 8:28 pm
mr. hutch, i really dont understand. only cara can talk and she said sorry like 6 times and thats not cause she like killed someone but cause she didnt stop a beating. i dont read her mind but i dont judge her why should i say shes lying?
and the other girls cant speak can they?
and i read aprils grandad died, thats bad. and she had b-day under house arrest. and she will get punished. what more do you want?
and i dont think they plotted to ambush anyone, only to kick tori out. but she returned cause that woman who drove her there said they have to let her back in. and they screamed at tori to fight one on one with them, its right there on the video. they did wrong but why do people say they did stuff they didnt do? i see that all the time peole just say what they hear on tv and its not true. like everyone said cara did the camera but you can see cara on the video so she didnt.
Diane W
Jul 7, 2008 at 8:44 pm
ummmmmmm they didnt plot anything? then why were there two guys standing “guard” outside?
Electronica
Jul 7, 2008 at 9:13 pm
di they didnt stand guard they werent there they left your so behind like a month they are free the cops screw up or just lied them make up stuff too.
demand justice
Jul 7, 2008 at 9:15 pm
electronica:
what more do we want? we, the public, want justice!! they came close to KILLING that girl… they almost broke her neck slamming her into a wall like that… and they coulda fractured her skull… they should be locked away for life without parole anything less would be a travesty
LawAndOrder
Jul 7, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Pretrial conference is tomorrow at 8:30AM eastern time. All suspects still being charged will have to appear. Don’t expect any video of it though, as the news media doesn’t seem to care about the case anymore.
Laurie
Jul 7, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Electronica - you want people to give them kudos for the things they didn’t do? A threesome of girls, against one girl? There is nothing wrong with that?
Three strong shows how these girls truly are immature cowards. Otherwise, they would have handled their issues one on one with Tori - and in a non-violent way. It doesn’t take someone with brains to hit, punch, kick, and talk trash. As my father used to say, where we they when God handed out the brains? Behind the door?
These girls are already living their karma. If you listen or read the transcript, DUH, instant karma because - Everyone is passing judgement. None of the reasons make any sense, they do not state any kind of intelligent argument - I would be embarrassed and humiliated to let so many people see me beat on someone (with 2 others for back up) and not even talk sense when I was doing it - not to mention that it was not a fair fight. Such childish crap!!! Who cares if Who is a whore??? Who cares about who is sleeping with who??? Get over it.
And, karma again with the threats to their life. Gee, I wonder if any of them regrets what they did? I wonder if any of them realize there is a better way to handle problems?
Obviously, they need anger management.
It is also clear that they wanted to fight (Especially BH) and just commit violence for the fun of it - no real reason (Is there ever a good reason, other than self defense?) It is obvious that these girls have real issues, and will need help to achieve a peaceful, successful life. Who is teaching them what the REAL important things in life are????
If they continue on in this manner, who knows if they will make it to their 25th birthday.
Diane W
Jul 7, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Very well said, Laurie. Thank you for info L&O.
Electronica
Jul 7, 2008 at 10:09 pm
laurie you just agreed with me their screwed already that was my point mr. hutch said their not. and all i said more is no need to make up stuff they didnt do but you dont so im ok with that.
Electronica
Jul 7, 2008 at 10:16 pm
dj you dont know they did anything like that their not in for trying to murder her their in for misdemeaner beating its probation normally but cause its on tv people want blood. kids do stuff like that every day but get just probation.anyway gn.
amyv
Jul 7, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Electronica
You want facts here we go per police reports, available on line and the video tape.
witness:Christine Dorsett, girl who dropped Tori off mentions two boys at Mercades door per police report. Tori statement same thing. police officer said girls when first arrested said boys should go down for this to they knew about it (on police report). Mercades, Kayla, BH outside screaming at Tori. Tori goes in the house opens door to bedroom April Copper hiding inside per police report. Tori trying to pack her stuff April screaming B.H. and believes Mercades blocking bedroom door. Cara filming. B.H. screaming hit her, then says a boys name and Apirl hits her 25 times (on the tape). Tori does not hit back begs her to quit. She does not. Girls making some weird orgasmic sounds in background “Uh, yea baby. Uh, yea.” On tape. a disturbing sound of pleasure these words. Tori asks to use phone says she wants to leave is told no. on tape. Lights go on Tori realizes just how many girls are their. Brittini Hardcastle says things to make her face been seen on camera. “I”m talking to you, why did you turn away.”Wants her pointing towards camera on tape. Don’t see Cara much on these tapes so just who is taping this. Brittini Hardcastle pounds on her, April copper pounds on her on tape and once again per police report. Kayla Hassell hits her and so does Brittany Mays. Per police report from Tori and as stated by police on video not yet released. Tori herself says Mercades and Cara never hit her. If she wanted to lie she could have said they all did it. States Mercades blocks door and won’t let her leave. Shows on tape Brittini Hardcastle blocking door NO DOUBT. They were not letting her leave. Beating stopped because Mercades had to pick up her NaNa. Who knows how long they would have kept this up. Tori says just let me walk for help Brittini H. says no takes her by the arm forces to into Mercades car (This I would think is definitely kidnapping). If I told you no I didn’t want to get in the car with you and you force me THAT IS KIDNAPPING. The other girls take off with the boys(how convenient you mean the boys who knew nothing about it/) per Kayla Hassels statement on tape to police. Then they all meet up at the boys house and watch the tape. Once again per Kayla Hassell on tape with prosecutor. Cara Murphy said she was sorry for the situation. Said she didn’t know it was that bad until she saw the tape. Are you kidding me.
Her message to teenagers watch what you tape because you can get in a lot of trouble. Not one I’m sorry the victim was beat up that way. Kayla Hassel on recording to prosecutor “i’m mad because we are all getting threats. Stated she was scared of Brittini H. No way on tape right in between Tori and Brittini screaming in her face. So who is making stuff up about these girls. They have lied so much, even if its on the video, you can’t believe a word they say. Video cameras don’t lie and tape recorders don’t either. April and Mercades also turned against the other girls when four of them got together and made up a story they hadn’t seen Tori in about a month.
LawAndOrder
Jul 7, 2008 at 11:15 pm
To add to what amyv said:
You can also see Hardcastle close and deadbolt the front door casually in the newer video. Watch closely in the dark part when the camera enters the living room. The light showing the door ajar disappears as Hardcastle leans against it, then the reflection of the deadbolt lock disappears momentarily.
amyv
Jul 7, 2008 at 11:16 pm
As per the medical. According to hospital records definite concussion with loss of consciousness. Working in the medical field I can tell you this will leave you very disoriented. Haven’t seen the whole tape perhaps Tori had exact time wrong or was very dizzy and thought she passed out. The photo Brittini Hardcastle took is the most telling. Large swollen Knot on left side of forehead and large swollen knot just above right eveybrow. Look close slight blood between lips because they are closed. When Tori called 911 her friends mother says she has blood in her mouth and she thinks a tooth might have got knocked out. This woman is a nurse. Black eyes and swelling are not their worst right after the beating. The swelling gets worse the next day and continues over the next few days. Per hospital report partial lose of hearing due to swelling. This we can not see we are not doctors. We also do no know how many knots she had on her head underneath her hair. She took many of these blows to the head. Have not heard mentioned why victim is wearing sling on left arm in police photographs. Can see arm is bruise and appears to be swollen. Since she blocked a lot of the blows you can see most were taken in the head. These girls could have easily killed her. Sometimes all it takes is on blow to the head to kill someone. Please let me know which of these facts I am reporting are false.
M. Hutchence
Jul 8, 2008 at 11:28 am
E, they all grouped up, they had a meeting place… they had cameras, they had two idiots who will never be men, close enough to hear victoria get wailed on for half an hour.
THAT IS A
P L O T.
ie) plan to cause duress and assault.
and sadly you are right, this crap happens every day somewhere, probably right now it is happening.
Time for it to stop
most of the gang members i work with- when they do “jump ins” the duration is about 4 minutes.
I don’t condone this,
but i’m just saying a half an hour to be held against your will and beat by a group of ingrates is a long flippin time.
M. Hutchence
Jul 8, 2008 at 11:37 am
Amy, thanks for the add on, I too work in the medical field and do volunteer outreach program work 3 days a week.
She easily could have been killed or turned into a vegetable.
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 2:55 pm
amyv you call facts stuff that you dont know for sure and you report only what you like and skip what you dont like. thats bad not as bad as others but still bad.
i said they didnt lure tori and they didnt. i read the reports too you know. tori was going back there from beach on her own not cause someone told her come home.
and i said they didnt plan to beat her and they didnt. cause they kicked her out! you just skip that part cause you hate them. that woman said tori was kicked out with all her things packed but shes on the yard and doesnt want to leave she doesnt wanne go home i guess and doesnt know where else to go. but like the girls scream at her to leave for 20 minutes. thats like the stupidest plan to lure and beat someone i ever heard of. so the woman gets pissed and says no you will let her come back for like an hour or two and let her make phone calls. and shes a grownup so they say ok. and she splits she doesnt wanne have tori on her hands. and tori goes in and hardy sees her and says get out! and she says no and goes to mercs room and theres april and aprils not hiding thats silly april has no clue tori would come back! so again if this is a conspiracy im the pope!
and ppl make it look like all the girls knew whats supposed to happen but its clear they didnt. like on the vid one girl yells many time at the fat bully to let tori go. but tv doesnt tell you that and ppl dont tell you that cause they dont like the truth. and tori said april told her to leave but others said no. and tori said kayla said yu can use my phone when im done textin but merc took the phone away. and tori said cara looked sad. it makes no sense if all the girls got together and said we must beat her close to death.
and the boys left thats the point. their neighbors said so and they said look at the video at some shop somewhere but cops refused to listen i read that already long before persecution let them go. persecution wouldnt let them free if it wasnt so and if any girl said they were lookouts. and i never read anywhere any girl but tori said they were lookouts and tori was just saying what she thinks not what she knows she didnt say she saw them out the window kayla says shed see them outa window and didnt.
and its like that with other stuff you say half the truth at best and that way you can make it all look as you want it to look. but theres no use arguing much you all made up your minds and you just hate and hate. i said from the start it was wrong to beat tori or even just not to stop it. but it doesnt mean ppl should make up stuff doesnt mean tv should make up stuff doesnt mean cops should make up stuff and it doesnt even mean they all should just say half the truth.
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 3:01 pm
and most kids are like cara they woudnt do much and many would take a swing too its sad but true. im not like that or even like cara but its often trouble for me so i dont look down on others i know its not easy.
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 3:11 pm
mr. hutch see what i told amiv there was no plot.
its bad what they did so why make it look worse? cause it was on tv all the time? and cause ppl beleive what their told on tv thats why and once their mad they dont think again their just mad many grownups are like that with kids they say its like that and end of discusion. but your a doc you should think not just be mad.
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 3:15 pm
and mr. hutch they just had one camera and they like went to a beach together i think so why wouldnt they be there? girls hang out all the time at each others place its normal its not conspiracy.
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 3:25 pm
oh and mr. hutch a real jump is so much worse! if its 3 or even 2 on 1 you go down and get kicked all over cant defend 4 minutes is like an hour and if you blank out they may not notice and keep kicking.
id much rather be beat like tori its like argue and argue and argue and hit. i bet it was less than 4 minutes total more like two or three they argue so much. and if you get hurt you can say stop im hurt. and you can say im not arguing anymore if you hit me again. if you can try to leave your not beat that bad. i dont understand how you can say a jump is better no one i know would agree theyd laugh at that.
Diane W
Jul 8, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Hutch, and most of the rest of you, right on the money.
E, wish you could figure out the real world and maybe even learn to spell, sheesh.
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 4:00 pm
and amyv cara said shes sorry and said she could have done more to help tori and you dont even know what else she said cause tv doesnt tell you all she said. and kayla said shed apologize to tori and that shes sorry and that it went way too far. and you know from what they say you just pick what you want and say thats true and what you dont like you say they lie. and you know even if they apologize 1000 times youd say their not sincere wouldnt you? you just hate them and nothin theyll say will change you mind will it?tis your right but it doesnt mean your right.
LawAndOrder
Jul 8, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Electronica:
To your point about the “grown up” forcing to let Tori stay… that grown up, Christine Dorsett, is only 19. I doubt there was a “grown up” factor that intimidated them into “letting” Tori stay.
The video in the convenience store was taped over by the owner.
Nothing in this case was “made up.” It’s all in the police reports.
Yes, April told her to “go.” I interpret that as April telling her to leave the bedroom, not the house.
It was not 4 minutes. The entire video is approximately 30 minutes long according to the initial Sheriff press release. The reason they aren’t showing the rest yet is because it’s too graphic for TV, and because it must be preserved for the trial.
Cara said, and I quote “I guess I would say I’m sorry,” and she said it in an extremely insincere tone of voice. That little press conference she had was coached.
If these girls were truly sorry, they would confess and plead guilty and accept their punishment.
M. Hutchence
Jul 8, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Hey E-
You will make a great defense lawyer some day, i encourage you to go for it. It is always good to look at both sides, but, you REALLy seem to go beyond defending these girls.
I’m a pharmacist, not a doctor, and i am fairly blunt. Especially when i see this stuff and what it produces 3 days a week.
first of all, Tori suffered far more injuries than most of the jump victims i have seen and talk to on a routine basis.
What part of the vid am i missing E? I clearly see girls preventing her from leaving, and i clearly see at least two wailing the tar out of her. I see her begging to leave. It’s sickening, and those
vagrant dogs that beat her and held her against her will should be put away until they learn better.
E, you seriously should put the same amount of effort you put into making light of these kids into
kicking ass in school and going on for a law degree. there is a ton of money to be made in defending criminals no matter what age they are.
Diane W
Jul 8, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Hutch, hope last post was said tongue-in-cheek (re E being defense attorney)
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 9:44 pm
law i meant 2-3 mins total beating. and i didnt read they had 30 mins vids i doubr that. and cops do make up stuff. and they waited until it gets erased thats the point they begged them to get the tape asap but they refused is what i heard.
and cara said sorry like 6 times but if you dont like her youll never believe her so what its not to you she done wrong.
and why should cara say shes guilty if shes not? makes no sense to me.
Electronica
Jul 8, 2008 at 10:10 pm
mr. hutch you know i always said they did wrong and i never defend the wrong. i only say treat them fair. its ok to be mad at them but one should be fair. if not what do they learn? just that grownups are bigger bullies than they no?
and i dont have school anymore so when im not out its ok if i post sometimes.
M. Hutchence
Jul 9, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Actualy D, if i’m not mistaken E is fairly young (teens)?
As she gets older, and if she follows a good path,
she might really make a great defense attorney.
amyv
Jul 9, 2008 at 9:18 pm
law and order
I am glad you mentioned the part of the tape where you can see the door ajar and BH closing and locking it. It is something i noticed also. Although, it is hard to see that is exactly what happened. I am now a lawyer but, i would like to know the legal difference between kidnapping and false imprisonment. I know this a least qualifies as false inprisonment. Once again forcing someone into the car and transporting them to another location does qualify as kidnapping. So maybe false inprisonment for 6 girls and kidnapping for the three in the car.
Electronica -
From the beginning the police have stated their is 30 minutes to this tape. So you are a little far behind. Everything I stated was backed up with facts by police reports, statements taken from the police from the witness, victim and perps. I myself would rather be jumped for 4 minutes.We have seen approx. 5-6 minutes of this tape. As far as the yelling and screaming going on that was for a mental beatdown. Four of the girls hit her not just 2 per police report and stated to be on video. Just imagine yourself in that situation. Locked in unable to get out. Yes, sweet little April did say you can go after the first part of the beating. But, some of the others didn’t let her go then so April did beat her some more. On the tape. i guess the first 25 punches April threw were not enough. You have girls punching you (yes one at a time) you don’t who or when the next blow will be thrown. Continous screaming in background to hit her and calling her names. Causing more and more mental distress. After, B>H> beats her on the coach she tries to get up and April cooper jumps on her and starts wailing on her. By the door when Brittini Hardcastle was beating her mercilessly Kayla Hassel was screaming and pointing in her face. Kayla Hassel did hit her per police report and stated to be on remainder of tape. This is how some of us come to the conclussions that these girls are not showing remorse. Kayla Hassel says she would have helped the victim get out if she wasn’t scared of B.H. and the tape contradicts that statement. I think the only one that might have been scared was Cara Murphy but since she got all charges dropped so she doesn’t want to admit it. (now that is my opion on her, not fact based). Also, who said Tori every went outside with all of her stuff. The girl who dropped her off never stated that in her police report. On the tape you can see Tori picking up some of her stuff off the bed. If she was all packed up why would she be trying to repack it. The parts I say they lie about are the parts that directly contradict what you see on the video. If you look at the ledger it plays Kayla Hassel video taped apology and then shows the tape right above. Her words don’t fit her actions. And saying you are sorry and then saying your advice would be not to tape anything it can get you in a lot of trouble. Maybe Cara is sorry. She should have just choosen her words better. I would like to see all of them show remorse for what they have done. Unfortunately, we have not seen alot of this. And, as far as the boys go, I don’t know what it shows on the other part of the tape. I do know per witness that dropped her off statement that their were two boys there at that time. Maybe it was two other boys, who knows. And, I do know per April Cooper on tape that the boys did take some of the girls somewhere right after the beating and then they went to the boys house and watched the tape. Doesn’t prove guilt but, doesn’t really lean towards no involvement either. Also, police reported when they girls were in the holding cell they mentioned the boys by name and said if we go down for this so do they. According to police report statement of one of the boys forgot which one when tape was off the boy said they know about a plan and posting in on youtube. Then the officer said when the tape recorder was turned on the boy changed his story. But, I don’t know maybe the police are lying on all of their reports. What do you think counselor?
Laurie
Jul 9, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Amazing that you, Electronica, think that ‘only 2 or 3 minutes’ of ACTUAL BEATING TIME, is some type of defense for these girls, and who they are, and what this behavior says about all of them!
It only takes a second to kill someone by ‘accident’ - Can you imagine what someone would look like if they were beat, for the entire 30 minutes. I bet you wouldn’t know who the heck they were, because of the damage. Don’t these girls realize that punching, kicking, hitting actually causes damage to the human body? Unless, of course, you are in extreme sports, and even then, the guys still have plenty of damage, bruises, cuts, concussions. Or maybe they get beat regularly at home, so they don’t realize that they are inflicting pain? What’s up with that?
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 9:52 am
and amyv im not kayla and im not cara so im not gonne argue if their sorry or not i just dont judge so quick you do im not tori she can decide herself.
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 9:55 am
and amyv do you say cops say kaylas on video hitting tori? if so why she says she didnt hit tori? im not saying shes not lying but if cops say its on tape and shes like under oath and knows that and still says no shed be real stupid no?
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 10:10 am
well amyv tori did get kicked out with all her stuff her ride says so she says “victoria came back out and she was crying and she had all her things and said she was kicke out” so thats being kicked out idk why no one admits it. and tori didnt wanne leave and didnt want to go home to her parents and didnt have a phone. so she wanted to be let back but it took like 20 mins for her to get back and only after her ride told them to let her back. and toris not repacking i dont see that.
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 10:19 am
and amyv i and never heard the girls saying the boys were lookouts or whatever if they did they wouldnt be free now would they. and i never heard of some boy saying this and then saying that it sounds strange idk where you got that from.
Diane W
Jul 10, 2008 at 10:23 am
E, there seems to be an awful lot you don’t know. Amy, ty for pointing out the facts.
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 10:25 am
and amyv i did imagine being tori and id much rather be tori than be jumped for 4 mins. i said so before.
heres like a jump for fun its not a real jump cause they know if they hurt him theyd get in trouble real jump is like where no one sees you and you can really hurt and not get in trouble.
http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=260263
M. Hutchence
Jul 10, 2008 at 12:33 pm
E, What kind of people do you think have “fun” doing this?
Tell us what your neighborhood is like? (I’ve seen some real violent ones) but i get the idea that where you live it’s totally normal to see people beating the crap out of each other in every front yard?
Are you from Jersey shores by any chance? or
Bakersfield? Wait…. OILDALE!!!!
no wonder you are okay with groups of people beating the crap out of one victim.
Trench
Jul 10, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Hey now. I grew up on the South Jersey Shore and we sure as hell didn’t act like this.
M. Hutchence
Jul 10, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Hey T- i lived there too- four years- i loved it.
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 7:39 pm
laurie if you say i killed your cat and i say no i just spray painted her neon pink im not saying it was right im just saying i dont know where the cat is now. so here i say the beating itself is all in all like 2-3 mins and thats much better than being jumped for real like 4 mins thats all im saying.
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 7:43 pm
mr. hutch i dont say its ok!!! and its not totally normal. i just said it was for fun not for real. the boy wasnt hurt. and you say its so bad why didnt anyone tell the police? grownups see kids get beat all the time and if the kid walks away they never ever report it.
Electronica
Jul 10, 2008 at 7:45 pm
ohhh and im not fron nj!!! bleahhh! and dont even know the other two places.
Navigator
Jul 10, 2008 at 8:57 pm
E - you are truley sick in the head and you are probably from mulberry where all this took place because you sure act like the people in this town. The video you wanted everyone to watch was horrible… you think this is NORMAL… and if it is ( where you live) it should NOT be normal and they need better law enforcement. This way of thinking is the reason why violence has taken over reason in our country. Solve your problems with violence instead of reasoning and you will loose. These girls will loose… they have lost all dignity and they can never get that back… society will always look at them as loosers, no matter if they get away with it or not. Their peers will never look at them the same again… ever. I hope they pay for a long time… they need to learn a lesson, and it is OBVIOUS that they have not… and neither have you!
Laurie
Jul 10, 2008 at 9:36 pm
So let me ask you E - is this how you think things should be? Is this how your life is? what do you plan on doing for yourself?
I can understand how some of the girls may now feel they are truly sorry - after the fact - during the attack I believe all the girls were caught up in the mob mentality, and once they started it, they didn’t dare back down for fear of being attacked themselves, or losing ‘face’. But you know what, that comes with a price tag.
What do you think a fair punishment is for these girls? What do you think the bigger lesson here is?
If where you live, this goes on all the time, do you think it should continue like this?
Electronica
Jul 11, 2008 at 8:24 am
i never said any beating was ok never said was normal i always said beatings were wrong. but you ppl dont listen and twist what i say.
and when i see a beating i try to stop it. even fights. and its harder than you think.
Electronica
Jul 11, 2008 at 8:29 am
and laurie idk all they did and who did what so idk what punishment is right. and what they did before if you beat someone before too you should get more punishment now. so i can like estimate only. id say like 3 months for the fat bully. less for the other two old girls. april id say 3 months in a juvie. kayla less. i think they should be in family court not adult court anyway. but all of you will just say im stupid and too easy on them. but i bet if it wasnt on tv theyd all get just probation.
and i dont know if juvie is really good for april shell just have to fight there all the time cause shes famous now. and kayla will just get beat idk if she knows how to fight. so idk.
Electronica
Jul 11, 2008 at 8:36 am
and nav you dont know anything their friends will stay their friends they didnt kill anyone. onlt ppl in shcool who didnt like them before will hate them more now and theyll have more excuse to jump them so they may get beat but i dont think theyll be like without friends you just wish it doesnt work that way.
Electronica
Jul 11, 2008 at 8:45 am
and laurie i dont plan much i dont have t yet not even college. so.
Stacey
Jul 12, 2008 at 2:41 am
WOW. god bless Victoria and her family. I cant stand to see people hurting other people. its in human, i am a second degree black belt and i have never nor been tempted to hurt another person. Its sick and in my opinion NONE of these kids should have been slapped on the wrist and called it a day. what they did was gut twisting, and made me truly focus on the kids i teach at martial arts to NEVER abuse their ability to hurt someone else unless it is in self defense. Kayla in my eyes is the worst of them all, yes she did not touch her but i believe she is the reason all of this happened. Has anyone noticed that she is the only one that had a reason to be angry with Victoria? , the whole cheating boyfriend thing?
All i can say is that i am ashamed to be apart of such an awful generation that thinks muscles and power is everything. i am 16 years old, and have all the power to beat people down, yet cannot? its because these girls are full of hatred and have nothing to be proud of but the fact that 6 of them is more powerful than one, and the law is backing it up. we might as well not have laws at all if the victim is slowly being the accused and the accused walking off with a devilish smile.
mark
Jul 12, 2008 at 8:59 am
Does anyone know when this thing goes to trial?
Navigator
Jul 12, 2008 at 3:26 pm
E - I am not talking about school kids - I am talking about society. These girls will be out of school in the REAL world - some as soon as next year _ and when they need a job or need a place to live… well… people look at your PERSONALITY - and they have shown what kind of personality they have and NO ONE is going to want them either working with them or living by them - - GET IT! This is a small town and EVERYBODY knows who they are and what they did - and many across the nation as well.. so they better watch thier p’s and q’s from here on out or they may not be able to prosper in the furure - especialy around here!!!!
amyv
Jul 12, 2008 at 10:53 pm
E- I don’t think Kayla ever denied hitting Tori did she. I guess I need to listen to her tape again. And I agree, it does seem on the tape their is a lot of discussion about Kayla and a boy. That is what she is screaming about. And I even think this boy was dating Tori first. Why do assume the police would lie on their police reports? What do they have to gain. As far as I am concerned the tape is evidence enough. So lets see the sheriff is to blame and the police are lying. The one thing you can’t seem to understand is you are not seeing the entire video. You ask about facts How do you know she was only beaten for 3 minutes when their is still a great deal the public has not seen. O.k. if you get jumped it almost always out in the open. The difference with this was this girl had no idea how long they were going to keep her their,beat on her or if they were going to ever stop. You can see on the tape she is totally giving up. I don’t understand your comments about when your getting jumped you can’t say stop I am getting hurt, I have had enough and I want to go. This girl begged them to stop. She begged them to let her go. And, if it wasn’t obvious they were hurting her, they need to be put in a mental ward not a jail. The age of April Cooper the 14 year old matters not to me in this case. She was one of the worst perps. Intending to do this girl great bodily harm. Once again Kayla did hit her. As far as them going to juve. and getting jumped they showed no sign that they think that would be unacceptable behavior by their actions. I don’t want them to get hurt. Just do their time for this awful crime. I will not watch the video you suggest. If it is violent I have no interest. Especially if no one was caught or brought to justice. I wish they would start prosecuting everyone that participates in this horrible actions. The fact that it is common makes it even more sickening. Teenagers and adults alike need to realize this is wrong. Their will be punishment for it. Although, in peoples human make up you would hope this would be human nature not to want to hurt another person. These girls are sorely lacking in that area. I hope it is something they can learn in the future. But, in a lot of people it is not something that has to be learned it is just human nature to want to help not hurt.
amyv
Jul 13, 2008 at 12:11 am
watched kayla hassell tape and recording with prosecutor again. She does not deny hitting the victim at anytime during this recording. She even states the victim had said she wanted to beat them up before so “we just figured we would do it to her.” E- I do hear you when you say these girls should be punished. I agree with you on that. I think approiate time would be 2-3 years prison for everyone left that hasn’t had their charges dropped. Sorry, 2 to 3 months is not appropriate for kidnapping and that is what this was. I have said this before but I will repeat it. At the house I believe that would have been false imprisonment. Forcing her into the car meets the criteria for kidnappping. Anyone with more legal savy than me, please jump in on this.
Electronica
Jul 13, 2008 at 2:39 pm
stacey kayla was mad cause tori said shell beat her up and not only over the bf but also cause her parents called kayla when tori was missing and kayla told them she was at a party and they called cops and tori said shell beat up kayla is what kayla said i read.
and i dont knw why being angry makes her worse than those who beat tori. i dont get it.
Electronica
Jul 13, 2008 at 2:44 pm
amyv i dont understand at all why they shoud get years in prison for taking her in the car. tori was alone and had no phone and was beaten and they had to leave and shouldnt like let her walk outside at night alone like that. its not bad they called that lady and had her pick up tori. maybe they should have done it better but doesnt mean they meant anything bad by it.
if this was worse than beating her then i dont understand and if everyone agrees then idk right from wrong anymore and i dont want to its stupid. it makes no sense at all.
LawAndOrder
Jul 13, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Actually, it isn’t forcing her into the car that brought the kidnapping charge — or only three would be charged with it. It’s them not letting her leave the residence that brought the kidnapping charge. Think of kidnapping as an upgrade from misdemeanor unlawful imprisonment.
The reason they are all charged with battery and kidnapping is because they are considered either participants or accessories of the kidnapping, and participants or principals of the battery.
The only one who had a chance of fighting the kidnapping charge was whoever said “let her run away” on the video. I believe that to be Cara Murphy, and the charges were dropped for her obviously.
April did say “go,” BUT she assaulted Tori again later in the video, thereby becoming an accessory to all of it again. If April had just left it alone after saying “go” she would only be charged with battery right now.
Electronica
Jul 14, 2008 at 7:05 pm
amyv i looked it up and kayla did say she didnt hit tori i read it several times its not on the audio out there but that audi is only part of all the talking. like in their local paper they wrote kayla said only two girls hit tori no one else. it syas exactly: .She denies filming the thrashing or hitting Lindsay.. and also look at the link at the top here it says in the article this:
Hardcastle was trying to provoke others to hit Lindsay, Hassell said. “I turned around and I said I’m not hitting her,” said Hassell, who added that she feels bad “at least two or three times a week” about what happened.
im not saying shes not lying im saying she said it.
oh and she didnt say “WE just figured WE would do it to her” seh said I not WE and she meant it as if she was another girl. she was like saying what some of the other girls were thinking. thats obvious.
M. Hutchence
Jul 14, 2008 at 7:28 pm
hey- any updates? i can’t find anything, it’s already July 14. I thought they were due to begin on the 3rd or 4th?
Electronica
Jul 14, 2008 at 7:33 pm
and amyv cops sometime do make up stuff. they can tell you your friend said you did something bad even if she didnt. they hope if you did it youll give up. and when you say no thats not true they never say we made it up just to test you. so your mad at your friend and it takes weeks to be friends again.
and when something big happens they accuse every kid there of everything to scare them all into talking and they say it will all sort out in the long run but it takes long and you never know and they never take back the stuff they made up about you.
amyv
Jul 14, 2008 at 11:47 pm
E - shown on MSNBC on tonight as one of the most disturbing cases the nation has seen. It was this tape. If you do not understand that if someone does not want a ride from you after you beat the crap out of her and you force her into the car is considered kidnapping your wrong. You think they said this so she wouldn’t have to walk alone in the dark, are you kidding me. They were scared she was gonna go to the cops. You don’t beat somebody up and then say “Oh, we are worried you will get hurt if you walk somewhere in the dark.” That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard yet. but, if their lawyers are stupid enough to try that excuse in court they need to go back to school. You have heard over, and over again that their is about 25 more minutes of this tape. So why do you insist on saying this girl was only hit a few times. If we put all of their stories together lets see The camera must have flown around by itself taping. because none of them did it. The victim says Brittini Hardcastle, Kayla Hassell, Brittany Mays and April Cooper all hit her. We don’t know what is on the other 25 minutes. The victim said two people did not hit her Mercades Nichols and Cara Murphy. Why would the victim lie about the two we don’t see on the tape. hum. Were did you read about Victoria and the party and the cops being called. I missed some information somewhere. Kayla screamed and screamed on that tape. She was not scared of Brittini H. If she was she should be an actress because she got right in between them and didn’t look one bit scared. The jury at the trial will see the whole tape. Then there will be no more speculation as to are the girls lying or are the cops lying (wow sounds like the O.J. defense).
M. Hutchence
Jul 15, 2008 at 1:28 pm
that’s funny E- like cops have nothing better to do.
Sorry, but when I’m at work or on campus, or volunteering with at risk youth, i never see any students getting harassed or shaken down and being lied to by cops.
Usually- if cops are behaving like you say, the kids involved DID do something wrong, or illegal.
To a point what you are saying is true- For instance- when cops actually have caught a group of criminals they do have to use tactics, like separating them all and then telling the others that they are being ratted out etc.
But guess what… any time they are doing these things, the accused that are involved are GUILTY CRIMINALS!
Electronica
Jul 15, 2008 at 7:57 pm
amyv you always argue with what i didnt say. i didnt say tori was hit only a few times! you get beat for three mins and its a lot of hits. and i didnt say kayla isnt lying i just said she said this and that. i dont judge so quick i wait and see.
and i said i dont understand why they should get years for taking her into the car when they can get just months for beating her. it still doesnt make sense to me is all. it doesnt compare and its stupid.
and you can fight someone and care about her a bit after. but its easier if you won the fight. and eve if you jusdt beat her and she doesnt figt back you feel bad about it later so again its not so strange to care a bit.
and cops did lie they said cara hit tori but tori said she didnt. so there.
Electronica
Jul 15, 2008 at 8:08 pm
mr. hutch some cops are nice when theres grownups around and mean when theres none. and some treat you like a criminal even when you did nothing wrong.
M. Hutchence
Jul 16, 2008 at 11:58 am
I found growing up, that when i did nothing wrong, there were no cops around.
When i did, they were, and yes there were some that i really hated, i even got batoned at a party that was out of control.
But i realized that i would not have been hit by the guy if i had some place better to be.
If you don’t want to deal with mean cops, dont F up
Electronica
Jul 17, 2008 at 6:09 pm
oh and amyv i found wheres kayla said tori told her shell beat her ass. go to myfoxtampabay and look for “Interviews released in reen beating” where it says:
Hassell also said she had her disagreements with Lindsay in the weeks leading up to the incident. She said they went head to head over a boy.
“She told me that he had cheated on me with her and I asked him about it and he denied it. So
I told her she was lying,” said Hassell.
Hasell said they discussed the issue at school, and put it behind them, but another conflict arose. Hassell said Lindsay ran away from home and was partying with friends and Hassell told Lindsay’s family where she was.
The cops were called. Hassell said Lindsay then threatened her on the net.
“She emailed me on my MySpace page and told me she was going to beat my ***,” Hassell told the interviewer.
M. Hutchence
Jul 18, 2008 at 1:46 pm
hey, then Kayla should have notified authorities and handled it legally.
You keep mentioning that Lindsay didnt deserve her beating, but now it sounds like you fully condone it.
do you?
Electronica
Jul 18, 2008 at 5:11 pm
mr. hutch no no no no no!!!!!!
look stacey said kayla didnt hit tori but kaylas the worst cause she was angry over a boy. i said i dont agree anger is worse than hitting. and i explained kayla was mad cause tori said shell beat her ass.
now amyv says wheres that from and says kayla should go to prison for 3 years.
so i say wheres it from where kayla says tori promised to beat her ass. is all.
and now i get acused! and i always always always said beating tori was bad. and i said juvie for kayla even if she didnt hit. but i get acused agin. its not fair and im sick of it.
Electronica
Jul 18, 2008 at 5:22 pm
and you all if youd listen to what they say on the vid kayla would make sense i mean shes done wrong but its not just over some silly boy.
britti wants to fight tori and tori says its unfair and they scream its one on one its fair so whysit not fair and tori says she has nothing against them and now kayla gets mad and says like twice tori said shell beat her ass.
not saying kaylas right but you get an older girl telling you shell beat your ass and then chicken out of a fight with a bigger girl youd understand kayla better.
all im saying it makes sense not that its right.
Laurie
Jul 18, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Oh yea - this is really important stuff to fight about Electronica. If it isn’t right, as you say, then how does it make sense? Maybe in a warped twisted way it makes sense….maybe these girls need to do something USEFUL with their time, like work at the food pantry, or volunteer at an animal shelter. Or, would we have to be afraid that they would attack someone who says something to them? There are many better things they could be doing with their time. Don’t they know about Karma? What goes around comes around, and if they keep this up, they won’t reach the age of 30.
Electronica
Jul 18, 2008 at 6:55 pm
laurie i mean makes sense as in must be true not is right. i mean kaylas told the truth about tori saying shell beat her ass cause in the vid it makes all sense when you know that. thats what i meant.
and yes kayla was wrong but how much? ppl say 3 years in prison and dont care if kayla hit tori and why she was angry. well thats not right you know.
maybe tori was wrong bbut she didnt desrve to get beat! and kayla was wrong but doesnt deserve 3y prison! maybe 3m juvie. id rather get beat than be in prison for years.
Laurie
Jul 18, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Okay - but what about doing something useful with your lives?
Do you really think this is how you all want to be remembered?
Isn’t there something you can do to reach out and help someone instead of destroying?
Electronica
Jul 19, 2008 at 11:26 am
laurie who do you mean by you??? i dont attck anyone i fight if i have to but never attack and never jump.
John
Jul 19, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Wow- it’s been 3 weeks since any new information has surfaced in articles. Does anyone have any updates?
Trench
Jul 19, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Bookmark the main page. If there are any developments in the case they will be posted there.
amyv
Jul 20, 2008 at 4:43 pm
E- at this point three suspects have been let go for lack of evidence. So they must have some kind of evidence on Kayla. We do not see the whole tape. If the police had nothing on her they would let her off as well. Cara Murphy got off because the victim said she did not hit her and it must not have been on tape. So she was telling the truth. But she will testify against the other ones. We have repeated over and over again you only see about 5 minutes of a 30 minute tape. I do not want to assume but, if she didn’t hit her I think they would have dropped the charges like the other three. I believe if we did see the rest of the tape, Kayla did hit her. Maybe if the whole tape is released, it will shed further light on the situation. Yes, and people do lie to the police the rest of these girls did. If they didn’t have evidence she would be let off. When do these girls go to trial already? I should think with a video tape it would not take months to gather evidence.
Electronica
Jul 20, 2008 at 5:47 pm
amyv i never heard they got 30 mins where did they say it. and anyway nothing makes much sense. why did they wait 3 months to free cara? and why did they say april knocked out tori when the video shows she didnt?
and if kayla hit tori it doesnt have to be on vids that one girl said 17 secs left so i guess they had to change mem cards or something? idk i dont have a video camera :-(
and idk whys nothing going on maybe the court people go on vacations in summer.
oh and i didnt say kayla didnt lie about hitting tori idk if she did. but i said it makes sense what she said to the police about why she was mad at tori. i mean it fits what she screams on the vid. it wasnt just a boy thing. thats what im saying.
LawAndOrder
Jul 20, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Electronica:
The police report says that the victim’s medical record says she had a “positive loss of consciousness.” She WAS knocked out! There is no doubt about it.
Kayla Hassall was a principal to both the kidnapping and battery. She stood there yelling at the victim AFTER Hardcastle vocalized her intent to kidnap by means of imprisoning. That makes her an active accomplice. She terrorized the victim by yelling at her AFTER the battery took place. This makes her an active principal to the battery.
The girl who said 17 seconds was Brittany Mayes. She was also the one who said “ooh yeah baby yeah.” Despite reports, that was not Cara. Cara can actually be seen for a few frames in the video as Tori gets up off the couch, you see her as the cam turns.
amyv
Jul 21, 2008 at 2:42 pm
E - What are you not reading that you can’t find that it was a 30 minute tape. Do some homework it is all over the place. The rest will be shown at trial. No more will be released to the public at this time. Tori might have been confused as to when she actually lost consciouness. She did take several blows to the head. This would not be uncommon with the confussion associated with a head injury. And unless the doctor is lying too, it does say in medical records exactly what law and order said. So given medical testimony that charge will be hard to dismiss as well. I do not really care what any of these girls reasons for this beating are. It just plain does not matter. And it will not matter in a court of law. Cara Murphy, although she did not hit tori was an accessory to this crime. She will be testifying against these girls. Her attorney stated that. So that should solve the mystery on why she was let off at all. I wandered who was making those disgusting “ooh yeah baby”. I am going to say something that I usually wouldn’t say but that girl sounded like she was getting some kind of sexual pleasure out of it. It was disturbingly disgusting the way she was making those noises. I thought it was Brittini Hardcastle. Brittany Mayes was the one standing in front of the judge with tears in her eyes. Wow, how can you get such a group together. Very disturbing these girls.
Electronica
Jul 21, 2008 at 5:40 pm
law wheres the med records? i never saw them anywhere. and im confused are you saying she was not conscious when she got to the hospital? or that docs say she was knocked out? how would they know? and hiw would they know when? what if she passed out later? i watch house and i like med but idk hows this done id like to know. and whats negative loss of consciousness?
and what dyou mean principal? she wasnt like the main one at all! that was britti and april.
anyway i said before kayla didnt act right i just dont get the kidnapping stuff and i think she should get juvie not prison and months not years. its crazy to get prison for yelling.
and i know cara didnt have the camera! i didnt say she did! but tv ppl said so!
Electronica
Jul 21, 2008 at 5:52 pm
amyv i know i saw on tv the cop say they dont have all the video and they dont have her knocked out on video. so somethings changed? but i didnt find what. and why did they give out the second vid when theres no knock out? it doesnt make much sense to me. it was like look what we said before isnt true!
and not helping tori doesnt mean cara helped her get beat. i read what tori sadi and she said cara felt bad and didnt do anything to her.
and the oooooh is britta im sure and yeah she was crying she was scared id be too but i dont think id cry.
John
Jul 22, 2008 at 1:58 am
Sometimes when people sustain trauma to the head, they lose chunks of their memory (however short), even if they don’t lose conciousness. To Tori, it would be the same thing- a blank spot in her memory. Though it seems as though she wasn’t knocked out in the second clip that was released when her statement says she was, she may not remember a few minutes around that time, or the minutes right before the first clip began with her on the couch. Remember, though, that whether or not she lost conciousness on tape doesn’t make this crime any less heinous.
They released the second video to show that Tori didn’t start the fight, and some of the “reason” why the girls wanted to fight her.
LawAndOrder
Jul 22, 2008 at 3:54 am
Electronica:
It’s not crazy at all to get prison time for actively aiding and abetting a crime. Kayla Hassall terrorized the victim by screaming at her while she was in a corner — this aided the kidnapping with intent to terrorize and cause bodily injury, and it aided the battery.
The medical records weren’t released, but the police report references a statement about loss of consciousness. Do a Google search for 0423polkbeating.pdf to download the abridged police report. The loss of consciousness statement is on the page before the last.
LawAndOrder
Jul 22, 2008 at 4:44 am
Oh and.. Principal means you were an accomplice to a misdemeanor. The battery charge is a misdemeanor.
Knocked out during the beating. They can tell by looking for swelling of the brain, and the blunt force trauma of the skull.
Victoria Lindsay was knocked unconscious during the beating. No doubt about it.
Electronica
Jul 22, 2008 at 2:52 pm
john i guess you could be right that would make sense cause tori knew it was on video so why would she lie? and yet she was wrong shes never knocked out. but you get hit in head bad and you can forget stuff for sure. but april didnt hit her much in the bedroom it was sissy hits so idk its still strange.
M. Hutchence
Jul 22, 2008 at 5:32 pm
yeah, sissy hits, while two others where pounding on her head .
Electronica
Jul 22, 2008 at 6:24 pm
mr hutch what?!? it was just april in the bedroom. and she didnt really try to hurt tori much after she fell on the bed. an 8year old could see that. its just the way it is.
Electronica
Jul 22, 2008 at 6:29 pm
and john it does matter!!! ppl said they were so evil cause she was out cold and when she came to they pounded her again! and itd be right, that would be worse than what they did!
but now when theres no knock out ppl say it doesnt matter?!? it does matter it would make it worse. it makes no sense to say it doesnt matter!!!
Electronica
Jul 22, 2008 at 6:38 pm
and mr hutch how do they tell you were knocked out? andwhen??
i saw a girl pass out and she wasnt hit she was at a funeral. and i saw ppl bang their heads real bad in soccer and they didnt pass out.
i found that report but all it says is positive loss whats that mean and whats negative loss? how does law know its really true. what d your brain ppl say?
M. Hutchence
Jul 22, 2008 at 7:28 pm
My brain people, (lol…cute)
They are Doctors that are referred to as Neurologists.
They are the ones who do surgery on a patients Brain and/or Spine.
Both of our Neuros here, by the way, claim Vic could have easily been killed just by the vid alone.
Anyways, to answer your question,
When someone comes into the ER with head trauma, they run a couple different procedures.
CT scans and/ or MRIs.
These procedures give the Doctors a complete 3 dimensional look at the damaged area.
I have one of my spine when i broke my back in a motorcycle accident, and you can even see food in my intestines.
Most of the time, these results can be produced in about 2 hours. In Viks case, i read that she had two MRIs- and results where fairly rapid.
Either of these procedures, can confirm if someone has been knocked unconscious, how long they have been rendered unconscious, and if they will suffer short or long term difficulties.
To tell you the truth E, i have not viewed the vid as much as some of the posters here, as it was simply too disgusting to watch -
Knocked out or not Knocked out, she was beaten enough to lose hearing and vision, and declared unrecognizable by her father. The police reports and portions of the vid that i DID see make it clear that this was a time consuming beating that took place against her will.
not like a soccer game.
Why you defend these flipping pigs who did this makes me sick, and really question what you are going to end up doing with your life.
Electronica
Jul 22, 2008 at 8:44 pm
mr hutch im sorry about your spine it sounds horrible.
and im sorry i make you sick. i just want them to be punished fairly. and i want to know the truth. idk why ppl dont care about whats true and whats fair just because the girls done wrong.
they didnt treat tori fair and now if we dont treat them fair how will they learn to be fair? they will not! theyll just think no ones fair but some ppl get away with it and some dont.
so idk what ill do in my life but i know ill be fair and ill say whats true even if it makes ppl sick and make them hate me.
LawAndOrder
Jul 23, 2008 at 2:40 am
Electronica:
They ARE being charged fairly.
Here is what they COULD have been charged with in addition to what they have now: FELONY aggravated assault, attempted second degree murder or at least attempted manslaughter (for almost breaking her neck by slamming her head into a wall), conspiracy, a second count of kidnapping for forcing her into a car, and that is just what I can think of on the top of my head.
Electronica
Jul 23, 2008 at 10:52 am
law i dont know the laws much all i know is years in prison is wrong for some of them like kayla. and i know some kids get away with anything and some get punished too much.
Amyv
Jul 23, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Thank you Mr. Hutchence for giving such a thourgh explaination of the procedures used to identify head injuries. I see the results of head trauma and how devastating it can be. I am in the Rehabilation field. Once again, we have not seen the entire video but, from what I have seen she did sustain more than enough blows to the head to cause at the very least lapses in details and loss of consciousness. It was by the grace of God, not any mercy from these girls that Tori did not sustain permenant head injuries from these blows that we know of. E- Aprils blows were not intended to hurt the victim?I can hardly find the words to respond to that statement. Except for ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She pounded her over and over again. Come on kid. I am sorry for this generation, not all of them, but the ones that think that all of this violence and fighting going on with teenagers is O.K. They should all be punished. Each to the extent of involment of the crimes. I do think that the assault and battery should be the worst charge. Unfortunately, in our court system, people are not dealt harshly enough with this charge. Kidnapping, which is exactly what this was, no doubt will get them the most time. E - two questions. 1. When did the girls thinks of what was fair for this victim 2.What do you say to the severe beating Brittini Hardcastle gave her. Now Those were backed by more power and fat then the other girls. What should her punishment be. Please do not say she did not intend to harm the victim.
Electronica
Jul 24, 2008 at 1:08 pm
amyv we do agree on somehting! i to think its the beating thats the worst. thats what they should get punished for the most. but its on tv so ppl want much more.
and i meanr april didnt try to do real harm after tori was on the bed. april wouldnt hit that way, thta just plain fact. you dont hit like a sissy if you look to do real harm. like april didnt hit tori with fists.
your questions: 1) idk what you mean i said before the girls were unfait to tori!
2) yes britti hit to hurt! thats obvious. like she went after toris nose when she was getting up from the couch that was real mean and unfair tori didnt even know shell get hit. and hitting tori in the corner in her head so hard was horrible.
Amyv
Jul 24, 2008 at 8:55 pm
E - Maybe April just isn’t that good at throwing punches. You say when Tori was on the bed April was not hitting to hurt. What about after Brittini Hardcastle beat her on the couch. Then when Tori tried to get up It was April who started punching again. So do you think Tori saw that coming. You just took a brutal beating from one girl. You attempt to get up from the couch and little miss April jumps on you and starts PUNCHING again. Come on, she sure as hell meant to hurt her. She is one of the worst of the bunch. Her bail for assault and Brittini H were the same. Their were higher than the rest of the girls. Hm? Wonder why. Because they did the majority of the beating and should be punished more harshly than the others. Why if April knew it was being taped would she want to be seen fighting like a sissy. Doesn’t make much sense. question: how do you know how April would hit if she meant to do harm? I am not picking on you. I am just trying to figure out the way younger people few this incident. I do know you have been exposed to it more in your generation than I ever was in mine. I have a teenage daughter and I don’t like the way teenagers are becoming immune to this sort of behavior. I am sorry for the teenagers who are good people and have to learn how to defend themselves because that is a necessity in your atmospheres these days. I would like very much for this to change. Law and Order or Mr. Hutchence can you please direct me to where you are blogging about the latest with Mercades Nichols crazy mom suing the sheriff. Thank you.
Electronica
Jul 24, 2008 at 10:34 pm
amyv id say theres 3 ways to hit:
1) to humiliate. like you slap someone.
2) to punish — pain yes but real harm no. like you hit hard someones shoulder or thighs. or when kids getting beat by their parents.
3) to harm — not like to kill or send to hospital but like cause pain and problems for days.
april knows how to hit you can see it near the couch april knows how to fight. but once tori was on the bed any girl could hit to harm but april didnt it was just to humiliate tori on camera.
near the couch it was more to punish it wasnt to harm but pain yes.
and britti she was out to hurt.
and yes its all bad but not the same bad. you get hit and youd know what i mean youd care about the diff. so yes aprils the second worst but britti is much much worse.
oh and hitting like a sissy not the same like fighting like a sissy. the